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After engine let go on my 2-1/2 year old disco 5 with 31k miles , lr agreed to new engine under warranty but say that new engine is only warrantied till the cars three year warranty runs out in June . Surely this can’t be right ? Anyone had similar experience ??
 
Off-road racer said:
After engine let go on my 2-1/2 year old disco 5 with 31k miles , lr agreed to new engine under warranty but say that new engine is only warrantied till the cars three year warranty runs out in June . Surely this can’t be right ? Anyone had similar experience ??
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Which engine is fitted to your D5
 
Off-road racer said:
So they don’t even warranty the new engine ? What if I extend the warranty ??
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You can probably buy an extended warranty - but check the small print very carefully. They are usually so full of get-out-clauses that they ain't worth the electrons they are emailed by :eek:
 
Off-road racer said:
After engine let go on my 2-1/2 year old disco 5 with 31k miles , lr agreed to new engine under warranty but say that new engine is only warrantied till the cars three year warranty runs out in June . Surely this can’t be right ? Anyone had similar experience ??
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You should get 12 months from when the new part/engine was fitted or until the end of Warrenty which ever is the longest.
 
Worse than that, a friend had to have a new engine on warranty and the following year he wanted rid of it, he agreed a part exchange with the LR dealer, but when they checked and found the engine was a new one they cut the trade in value by about 2K, .............
 
Nodge68 said:
So the redesign to improve crankshaft reliability didn't work then.
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A few years back when the 2.7 v6 was destroying engines left right and centre the general opinion was the 3.0 v6 was a much better engine, I being a sceptcal bar steward was not so convinced and lo and behold the 3.0 v6 started to destroy itself, when i mentioned this fact i got shot down in flames, many have now left the fold and bought oher makes Volvo being one.
Weirdly some indies say they have never seen a 3.0 v6 engine failure, yet others it is their bread and butter work one after the other.

One bloke on the D3 forum summed it up perfectly to me saying, it (late D4) was like driving a 30k hand grenade and you never knew when it was going to blow, he sold it!

Of course with the D5 its a 50/60k hand grenade.
 
Off-road racer said:
After engine let go on my 2-1/2 year old disco 5 with 31k miles , lr agreed to new engine under warranty but say that new engine is only warrantied till the cars three year warranty runs out in June . Surely this can’t be right ? Anyone had similar experience ??
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Something to potentialy be aware of is, Land Rovers own used car warranty/extended warranty does not cover the crankshafts as its is a known fault that land rover says is not a fault!
The warranty is provided by a third party.

Always worth checking the above info is still current?
 
lynall said:
A few years back when the 2.7 v6 was destroying engines left right and centre the general opinion was the 3.0 v6 was a much better engine, I being a sceptcal bar steward was not so convinced and lo and behold the 3.0 v6 started to destroy itself, when i mentioned this fact i got shot down in flames, many have now left the fold and bought oher makes Volvo being one.
Weirdly some indies say they have never seen a 3.0 v6 engine failure, yet others it is their bread and butter work one after the other.

One bloke on the D3 forum summed it up perfectly to me saying, it (late D4) was like driving a 30k hand grenade and you never knew when it was going to blow, he sold it!

Of course with the D5 its a 50/60k hand grenade.
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You'd have thought by now that the crankshaft issue would have been sorted, I mean it's not like crankshafts are a new idea, is it.:confused:

When I looked into this extensively a few years back, I appeared that the failure was possibly down to cranks made in one factory (apparently they are made in France, by several small manufacturing contractors), one of which wasn't giving the correct heat treatment to the crankshafts they made.

How accurate this is I don't know, but it must be something along those lines, due to the randomness of the failures.

Another theory was the main bearings were turning in the block, which then blocked the oil supply to a crank pin, which would allow the pin to heat up, causing failure. There was definitely some evidence to support this, but often the tang-less bearings were blamed for rotation, but there's more to it than that.

Then delayed oil supply was suspected, likely due to the top mounted filter, but loads of other engines have top filters, which don't suffer endemic crank failure.

I have my own theories, but I'll not go into those here.

LR obviously don't know what the issue is, or simply don't care, but if loads of failures happened in the first year of the warranty, you can guarantee they'd pull out all the stops to get it sorted.
 
Nodge68 said:
You'd have thought by now that the crankshaft issue would have been sorted, I mean it's not like crankshafts are a new idea, is it.:confused:

When I looked into this extensively a few years back, I appeared that the failure was possibly down to cranks made in one factory (apparently they are made in France, by several small manufacturing contractors), one of which wasn't giving the correct heat treatment to the crankshafts they made.

How accurate this is I don't know, but it must be something along those lines, due to the randomness of the failures.

Another theory was the main bearings were turning in the block, which then blocked the oil supply to a crank pin, which would allow the pin to heat up, causing failure. There was definitely some evidence to support this, but often the tang-less bearings were blamed for rotation, but there's more to it than that.

Then delayed oil supply was suspected, likely due to the top mounted filter, but loads of other engines have top filters, which don't suffer endemic crank failure.

I have my own theories, but I'll not go into those here.

LR obviously don't know what the issue is, or simply don't care, but if loads of failures happened in the first year of the warranty, you can guarantee they'd pull out all the stops to get it sorted.
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I dont buy the no tagged shell idea for failure, loads of engines run no tags, and they dont suffer, I think the reason the shells spin is either due to lack of oil causing seizure or outright crank failure.

I did read one plausible theory which said an injector fault overloading one cylinder was maybe a factor thus overloading one cylinder and the crankshaft pin/journal, this may be true as on the d4 you cannot check the injector cylinder balance like you can on the 2.7.

My wife is on her 4th audi 3.0 v6, and that to has what I would call a weeny looking crank, not saying they do not fail but certainly not to the headline news level the french lump does.

Someone somwhere knows what the issue really is, but most likely cannot or is not allowed to say what.
 
lynall said:
I dont buy the no tagged shell idea for failure, loads of engines run no tags, and they dont suffer
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Bearings are prevented from rotating by the 'crush' in the cap, the tang is there for location on assembly purposes only.
 
Nodge68 said:
Bearings are prevented from rotating by the 'crush' in the cap, the tang is there for location on assembly purposes only.
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That is why the story of non tagged bearings spinning kind of falls short.
Dont forget td5 also runs non tag bearings, and you dont hear of them spinning?
 
lynall said:
That is why the story of non tagged bearings spinning kind of falls short.
Dont forget td5 also runs non tag bearings, and you dont hear of them spinning?
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Loads of engines don't use tang bearings, oddly the TDV6 is the only PSA engine that doesn't, which is odd.
 
Off-road racer said:
So they don’t even warranty the new engine ? What if I extend the warranty ??
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If you extend the lr warranty with lr then the replacement engine will have the same cover, as if it still had the original engine, and it worked. You have to start the additional warranty before the original 3 year warranty runs out.

Check the detail of the warranty to see if its equal to that covered under the first 3 years, or different.

Lr parts i buy over the counter come with a 1 year warranty. I assume engines are the same. Especially if they fit them a at main dealership.

The warranty they give on a new car is to fix it in order to keep it working during the warranty period. If looked after by the owner (it logs how many times its bern thrashed etc) then there shouldn't be a problem.
 
Is a warranty not in addition to your consumer rights to expect a product to be serviceable and to function as intended for a reasonable amount of time?
 
kermit_rr said:
Is a warranty not in addition to your consumer rights to expect a product to be serviceable and to function as intended for a reasonable amount of time?
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Yes it is. But how long is the big question. In car terms it's mileage i guess. There's no defined mileage.

Our friend purchased a car new and had good use of it. After 2.5 years it failed in such a way it couldn't drive itself. Manufacturer paid for the repair via main dealer. Vehicle then continued to work after that. He continues on his travels. His vehicle continues to work as new.

The above is how the warranty is designed to work. Peeps sometime think the warranty is the manufacturer saying it won't fail in the warranty period. Like won't breakdown in the first 3 years. It's not the case. The warranty effectively says if you buy our new vehicle, we will repair it if it fails during the first 3 years, if not abused, to give you faith in buying it. We'll give you that assurance. So you know you won't suffer financial loss if it fails during that period.

Cars do fail so owning one is a risk. Buying a new one could be seen as a bigger risk when comparing to one that's on 20k miles without fault.

You could argue it wasn't fit for purpose as it failed. Modern motors will get past 100k miles easily without major failure. It would lose in court as the manufacturer had ways of fixing it to get it working. The fix wasn't unreasonable and solved the problem first time (i hope). Refusing the fix would go against you in court. Especially if the repair is best part of 10k sovs, for a new tdv6 and a few days fitting it. Lr honoured the warranty. And so they should.

We sometimes say this in jest to potential owners. But its true, regardless of how harsh it is. A D5 is expensive to buy. Full of expensive parts. These part are still expensive to buy many years later. It's a big risk to take owning such a vehicle out of warranty. He should have bought a Freelander.

At least he didn't get it repaired (stolen) by the crooks in sunbeam street Wolverhampton.
 
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