Soloby Rob
Banned
If this was in 'Anything Goes' I'd just have to say what a load of bollocks, as it's not I'll just have to say, what a load of daisy's
If this was in 'Anything Goes' I'd just have to say what a load of bollocks, as it's not I'll just have to say, what a load of daisy's
StuckAgainSteve
Well-Known Member
It must be downhill all the way to Spain - not just economically.
rangerovertoy
Member
lol oops!!
rangerovertoy
Member
If this was in 'Anything Goes' I'd just have to say what a load of bollocks, as it's not I'll just have to say, what a load of daisy's
not sure what you mean? just telling it like it is and exactly how it happened,the rangie is sat outside now hasnt moved since i got here
rangerovertoy
Member
lol plenty of mountains to climb on the route but yes you do come down them as well, should add last part of my journey climbs from sea level to 3220ft where we live,over about 9miles, its all 2nd or 3gear work owing to bends and small roads, so consumption would have suffered a little on the last bit,
rangerovertoy
Member
yep sat around 60 to 65 most of way,as to driving, well done it most of me life now, used to average 650 miles a day, for over 10 years,
have done this trip around 11 times now, so its kinda old hat for me, not counting various suicide french truck drivers of course! they keep you wide awake!!
Grit Valve
2000 4.6 Vouge
Wasn't there super diesel bmw3/5 series that was a new breed capable of a really hi mpg something like 80 or am Dreaming again there used to me massive posters out side there showrooms stating how efficient they were anyone remember ??
rangerovertoy
Member
damn!! forgot to say after owning it for a week, decided to see what we could do about the fuel consumption,having owned 4 m51 diesels they always respond well to chipping with more power and better economy! so went on line and downloaded a standard rangerover dse map, removed ecu took out chip and read it, compared it to standard configuration,
identical up to 2000rpm but the chip that is in it is totally different beyond that!! , wondered why it was so easy to bounce off the rev limiter whilst pulling like stink even in 4th gear(didnt try it in 5th) no need to go that fast!!
so it looks lke its been massaged at some time in its life!!
identical up to 2000rpm but the chip that is in it is totally different beyond that
!! , wondered why it was so easy to bounce off the rev limiter whilst pulling like stink even in 4th gear(didnt try it in 5th) no need to go that fast!!so it looks lke its been massaged at some time in its life!!
Datatek
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damn!! forgot to say after owning it for a week, decided to see what we could do about the fuel consumption,having owned 4 m51 diesels they always respond well to chipping with more power and better economy! so went on line and downloaded a standard rangerover dse map, removed ecu took out chip and read it, compared it to standard configuration,
identical up to 2000rpm but the chip that is in it is totally different beyond that
so it looks lke its been massaged at some time in its life!!
Took the chip out? That implies it was in a socket? If so it is definatly not standard. From where did you download the DSE map?
Datatek
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I think the more power and better economy says it all here Keith.
Mmm, mine was definatly a little more economical with the power box, which I put down to the fact that it would hold top gear where without the power box it unlocks the torque convertor and downshifts.
Other than that I'm in full agreement, more power on a diesel without other changes is obtained by shoving more fuel in
Mmm, mine was definatly a little more economical with the power box, which I put down to the fact that it would hold top gear where without the power box it unlocks the torque convertor and downshifts.
Other than that I'm in full agreement, more power on a diesel without other changes is obtained by shoving more fuel in
More power on anything is gained by shoving more fuel in. Try turning the wick up on an oil lamp to get more light without using more fuel.
rangerovertoy
Member
lol sorry guys should have explained a little better, having owned 4 Omega diesels with the m51 engine i knew that the earlier ones,94 to mid 97 had socketed chips, later ones you have to solder socket in, so assumed the rangie would be the same!! it was!on the omega 170bhp is reasonably easy to obtain with a map and a few mods,so cant see why the rangie shouldnt be similar,although on the omega auto,s chipping them melts the standard auto within 500miles!!dont assk me how i know but its happened on every one we did!!so now dont sell chips to anyone with an auto until they have replaced the auto with the v6 version!!
where we downloaded the map(standard one)think is only available to engine tuners,maybe can get a link but unless authorised doubt you will be able to access it,but i can try, texted me mate in uk,to email me it!!
where we downloaded the map(standard one)think is only available to engine tuners,maybe can get a link but unless authorised doubt you will be able to access it,but i can try, texted me mate in uk,to email me it!!
rangerovertoy
Member
agreed to an extent,however if the boost is up a little as well then you use a smaller amount of throttle for the same power as standard, then you get your fuel saving, whenever we chip any motor the owner always uses more fuel to start with,then when fed up with smoking tyres and gp traffic light scenarios they get the benefits of fuel saving as they do not have to use the full power mode all the time, simply because the car is quicker all through the rev range
power comes in earlier and at lower revs than before the chippingI would say its down to the way its being driven.
Ive had 4 Octavia company cars and the last was a 1.8 petrol Turbo and on a steady run it was in the high 40s.
I currently have a 1.6TDi CR Skoda Superb Greenline which is basically the same engine.
I do around 1000 miles a week of mixed driving A-b roads and motorways.
I am averaging mid 50s to the gallon but I do drive it quite hard.
When the wife drives it on a decent run she can get low to mid 60 mpg.
These engines come into there own on a decent run (20 miles or more) but short runs and stop start will be in the much lower.
What do you call a good run?
agreed to an extent,however if the boost is up a little as well then you use a smaller amount of throttle for the same power as standard, then you get your fuel saving, whenever we chip any motor the owner always uses more fuel to start with,then when fed up with smoking tyres and gp traffic light scenarios they get the benefits of fuel saving as they do not have to use the full power mode all the time, simply because the car is quicker all through the rev range
The gas going through the turbo limits the boost available at lower RPMs.The only way to increase the turbo speed to give more boost pressure at lower RPMs is to introduce more fuel at a given throttle position so there is more gas going through the turbo. That is the only way to increase it's speed and the boost available.
rangerovertoy
Member
agreed, but if you read my post i stated that the chip map numbers was exactly the same up to 2000rpm, only there after did the numbers start to differentiate, so at 2k and under there is no more fuel being shoved in!
