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Nick20

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Hello again,

My 200tdi defender 90 has a problem thats been a priority to fix since i bought it not too long ago.
Drives pretty normally (actually quite nicely on decent roads with smooth gear changes) however as soon as it goes above 40mph and especially into 5th gear, it lets off the worst knocking/grinding noise as soon as i let off the accelerator.

Its most prevalent and aggressive at faster speeds when i let off acceleration and really makes a longer drive unbearable.

Some research has brought up the drive flanges and rear halfshafts to be the culprits which i dont mind replacing though i havent had the chance to remove for inspection. Could there be anything else causing this? Handbrake drum has also been mentioned but i wouldnt know what to look for in the handbrake drum and i do think the rear prop could be an issue but wouldnt know how to properly diagnose this regarding excessive play.

If anyone could point me into certain areas of the car to look at would be appreciated as currently, ive been told multiple different problems that could be causing this.

thank you
 
HI Nick,

May not be the answer, but I would start by checking and greasing the UJ's if possible and taking the props offf and making sure they slide OK.


Cheers
 
neilly said:
Might be useful



Cheers
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Perfect thanks and just to make sure, is there anything i should do before removing the rear prop or can i just go under with a couple spanners and take it off? For example it wouldnt be a problem if the vehicle was on the ground in gear and handbrake on?
Sorry for obvious questions but would rather double check.
 
Nick20 said:
Perfect thanks and just to make sure, is there anything i should do before removing the rear prop or can i just go under with a couple spanners and take it off? For example it wouldnt be a problem if the vehicle was on the ground in gear and handbrake on?
Sorry for obvious questions but would rather double check.
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Chock the front wheels and one rear , jack the other rear wheel up on an axle stand , release handbrake, which allows you to turn the prop and access the bolts. 9/16 spanner. A prop tool makes life easier.

You may be able to find a few local members who may be able to give you some pointers face to face.


Download the RAVE manual, you will need it at some point.

Be careful.
 
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neilly said:
Chock the front wheels and one rear , jack the other rear wheel up on an axle stand , release handbrake, which allows you to turn the prop and access the bolts. 9/16 spanner. A prop tool makes life easier.

You may be able to find a few local members who may be able to give you some pointers face to face.


Download the RAVE manual, you will need it at some point.

Be careful.
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Will do thanks.
Typically i'm quite good with researching before i tackle a job and do enough so im comfortable doing it but i find many youtube tutorials (especially the main guys like Land rover Toolbox) who may miss out certain points or details sometimes and although to most it is probably obvious. Still leaves novices like myself not 100% clear on steps at times.
 
Nick20 said:
Will do thanks.
Typically i'm quite good with researching before i tackle a job and do enough so im comfortable doing it but i find many youtube tutorials (especially the main guys like Land rover Toolbox) who may miss out certain points or details sometimes and although to most it is probably obvious. Still leaves novices like myself not 100% clear on steps at times.
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Always a risk that a few points might be missed, one of the reasons I suggested finding a local landie owner who may be willing to give a few pointers, or even better find a LR / 4X4 group, the one I belong to have a few workshops each year to help each other out and we pop over to each others places when something needs doing when the owner may not be sure or needs a hand.

Cheers
 
Nick20 said:
Hello again,

My 200tdi defender 90 has a problem thats been a priority to fix since i bought it not too long ago.
Drives pretty normally (actually quite nicely on decent roads with smooth gear changes) however as soon as it goes above 40mph and especially into 5th gear, it lets off the worst knocking/grinding noise as soon as i let off the accelerator.

Its most prevalent and aggressive at faster speeds when i let off acceleration and really makes a longer drive unbearable.

Some research has brought up the drive flanges and rear halfshafts to be the culprits which i dont mind replacing though i havent had the chance to remove for inspection. Could there be anything else causing this? Handbrake drum has also been mentioned but i wouldnt know what to look for in the handbrake drum and i do think the rear prop could be an issue but wouldnt know how to properly diagnose this regarding excessive play.

If anyone could point me into certain areas of the car to look at would be appreciated as currently, ive been told multiple different problems that could be causing this.

thank you
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it wont be half shafts or drive members props etc if its on over run its more likely diff pinion bearings or transfer box
 
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Think i will have to video the sound tomorrow to give the best chance of finding what the problem is. Found many similar issues to mine online but not sure ive seen one that is almost exactly the same.
For example, its not gear specific but more relates to the speed and abruptness of decelerating. The quicker i release acceleration at higher speeds, the more aggressive the sound is.
Not that noticeable below 30
 



You can hear some knocking/grinding at 36/37second mark where i was deliberately letting off power however the severe noise is at 0:50-0:53 but for some reason the sound on video quietens during it, Much louder and aggressive in person.
 
Long time since this has been active but I’m having the exact same problem right now! Did you ever get to the bottom of it?
 
My guess it was hand brake drum dragging some. Expander wears and gets gummed up, return springs weak. When engine is driving the system nothing to notice but as power comes off the slightly gripping shoes set up a judder. Hot drum is a symptom, new bits the answer.

When you find/sort your problem please post answer here. Hate it when folk do not finish a thread
 
tottot said:
My guess it was hand brake drum dragging some. Expander wears and gets gummed up, return springs weak. When engine is driving the system nothing to notice but as power comes off the slightly gripping shoes set up a judder. Hot drum is a symptom, new bits the answer.

When you find/sort your problem please post answer here. Hate it when folk do not finish a thread
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Taking mine to a mechanic friend tomorrow to have a look with it up on the ramp. Hopefully will get to the bottom of it!
 
It is annoying when posters never come back. Anyway common causes of such noises are as my above post re handbrake, UJ that is seizing or started to come apart, wheel bearing on its way out.
 
tottot said:
It is annoying when posters never come back. Anyway common causes of such noises are as my above post re handbrake, UJ that is seizing or started to come apart, wheel bearing on its way out.
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I have done new UJs the only thing I need to check at the bearing and handbrake drum.

How would I go about checking if it is the handbrake drum?
 
My guess would be handbrake drum, mine clatters like this if left on a while.
See if it clears or makes worse by applying handbrake carefully when driving and also when decelerating, may indicate or eliminate??
 
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