RustySkull · Sep 6, 2018

Alright everyone?

I've made the mistake of uprating my clutch, I bought option 2 from RakeWay >> http://www.rakeway.co.uk/page28.html

And I've had it all fitted by a professional transmission garage today, they've just called me to say it fits lovely but the pedel is so hard you almost need both feet to push it, and it won't clear gears while the engine is off. If you start it in gear, it drives fine, you just have to blip the throttle when changing gears. They said that is obviously not right but seen as it's a heavy duty uprated kit that might be how it is intened. They have checked the hydralic system and it's all fine.

Rakeway are now closed, but I will call them tomorrow to ask but for now can any of you offer me advice please?
Are there some kind of larger uprated Slave Cylinders that I need?
Or is this how heavy duty single mass clutches are? I can't see it being intened to be like that myself...

I wish I never bothered, but it's too late now so any help with what I need to do to get this to work would be great

Thank you!

jamesmartin · Sep 6, 2018

RustySkull said:
Alright everyone?

I've made the mistake of uprating my clutch, I bought option 2 from RakeWay >> http://www.rakeway.co.uk/page28.html

And I've had it all fitted by a professional transmission garage today, they've just called me to say it fits lovely but the pedel is so hard you almost need both feet to push it, and it won't clear gears while the engine is off. If you start it in gear, it drives fine, you just have to blip the throttle when changing gears. They said that is obviously not right but seen as it's a heavy duty uprated kit that might be how it is intened. They have checked the hydralic system and it's all fine.

Rakeway are now closed, but I will call them tomorrow to ask but for now can any of you offer me advice please?
Are there some kind of larger uprated Slave Cylinders that I need?
Or is this how heavy duty single mass clutches are? I can't see it being intened to be like that myself...

I wish I never bothered, but it's too late now so any help with what I need to do to get this to work would be great
Thank you!

its obviously not right at all,and considering they think a hd might be like that they are hardly professional,personally i think you should have fitted a dual mass but single or dual wouldnt effect the pedal,if clutch springs are that stiff its not suitable

RustySkull · Sep 6, 2018

jamesmartin said:
its obviously not right at all,and considering they think a hd might be like that they are hardly professional,personally i think you should have fitted a dual mass but single or dual wouldnt effect the pedal,if clutch springs are that stiff its not suitable

Well they don't ususally fit uprated parts, they just fitted it for me because I've had work done there before and I asked nicely haha.
They said it's not right, and I agree but they don't know why it's not right. The springs are very stiff, but they told me that at Rakeway when I bought it, but not so stiff you can't push the pedal lol.
It had dual mass in it, foolishly I changed it to single as that was recommened when I had it remapped.

I'm looking for advice on what to do to fix the issues stated, the garage said a bigger slave cylinder would fix it but we can't seem to find any larger ones.

jamesmartin · Sep 6, 2018

RustySkull said:
Well they don't ususally fit uprated parts, they just fitted it for me because I've had work done there before and I asked nicely haha.
They said it's not right, and I agree but they don't know why it's not right. The springs are very stiff, but they told me that at Rakeway when I bought it, but not so stiff you can't push the pedal lol.
It had dual mass in it, foolishly I changed it to single as that was recommened when I had it remapped.

I'm looking for advice on what to do to fix the issues stated, the garage said a bigger slave cylinder would fix it but we can't seem to find any larger ones.

a larger piston slave if there were such that fitted ,which i highly doubt,would gain pressure by losing stroke,it will have to come apart again

RustySkull · Sep 6, 2018

jamesmartin said:
a larger piston slave if there were such that fitted ,which i highly doubt,would gain pressure by losing stroke,it will have to come apart again

I take it you've never heard of a larger slave then, I've been searching all over the internet and haven't come up with anything yet either. hopfully the bloke at Rakeway can offer a solution tomorrow.
I'll be watching here though to see if anyone can offer a hand, apparently they sell these kits a lot so someone on here must have one.

jamesmartin · Sep 6, 2018

RustySkull said:
I take it you've never heard of a larger slave then, I've been searching all over the internet and haven't come up with anything yet either. hopfully the bloke at Rakeway can offer a solution tomorrow.
I'll be watching here though to see if anyone can offer a hand, apaprently they sell these kits a lot so someone on here must have one.

no ,because lr never made one and i doubt any aftermarket did,its not a bigger slave you need

RustySkull · Sep 6, 2018

jamesmartin said:
no ,because lr never made one and i doubt any aftermarket did,its not a bigger slave you need

Forgive me then, but what do I need?
You don't seem very happy but I can look past that, I'm asking for advice from someone who may have the same kit as me, or may have good knowledge when it comes to uprated clutches.

jamesmartin · Sep 6, 2018

RustySkull said:
Forgive me then, but what do I need?
You don't seem very happy but I can look past that, I'm asking for advice from someone who may have the same kit as me, or may have good knowledge when it comes to uprated clutches.

im not unhappy,obviously you need to find out why ,either a faulty clutch cover or fitment,i have fitted a lot of hd clutches

blue beasty · Sep 6, 2018

James is spot on.

Larger slave may make it easier to push the pedal but will shorten the stroke and make the binding worse.

Its not the solution and i'd be very wary of any proffessional that thought it was.

Incorrect fitting or faulty parts I'd say.

RustySkull · Sep 6, 2018

jamesmartin said:
im not unhappy,obviously you need to find out why ,either a faulty clutch cover or fitment,i have fitted a lot of hd clutches

Oh right lol sorry, must be how I was reading your posts you seemed slightly annoyed I was asking such daft questions lol.

blue beasty said:
James is spot on.

Larger slave may make it easier to push the pedal but will shorten the stroke and make the binding worse.

Its not the solution and i'd be very wary of any proffessional that thought it was.

Incorrect fitting or faulty parts I'd say.

Thanks for the second opinion!

I'll see what the bloke at Rakeway says in the morning and then tell the bloke at the garage, what a nightmare lol.

Bantam1 · Sep 6, 2018

RustySkull said:
Alright everyone?

I've made the mistake of uprating my clutch, I bought option 2 from RakeWay >> http://www.rakeway.co.uk/page28.html

And I've had it all fitted by a professional transmission garage today, they've just called me to say it fits lovely but the pedel is so hard you almost need both feet to push it, and it won't clear gears while the engine is off. If you start it in gear, it drives fine, you just have to blip the throttle when changing gears. They said that is obviously not right but seen as it's a heavy duty uprated kit that might be how it is intened. They have checked the hydralic system and it's all fine.

Rakeway are now closed, but I will call them tomorrow to ask but for now can any of you offer me advice please?
Are there some kind of larger uprated Slave Cylinders that I need?
Or is this how heavy duty single mass clutches are? I can't see it being intened to be like that myself...

I wish I never bothered, but it's too late now so any help with what I need to do to get this to work would be great
Thank you!

Definitely the fitment or parts are wrong. I've run all sorts of competition clutches in rally cars in the past and never had that sort of issue.
Even running double diaphragm springs on my motorbike clutch doesn't do that, although some suggest upgrading the master cylinder to a bigger one to offset the slightly heavier lever.

jamesmartin · Sep 6, 2018

Bantam1 said:
Definitely the fitment or parts are wrong. I've run all sorts of competition clutches in rally cars in the past and never had that sort of issue.
Even running double diaphragm springs on my motorbike clutch doesn't do that, although some suggest upgrading the master cylinder to a bigger one to offset the slightly heavier lever.

increasing master piston size would stiffen the pedal

Bantam1 · Sep 6, 2018

jamesmartin said:
increasing master piston size would stiffen the pedal

Yes you're right I should have said smaller but hadn't engaged brain.

RustySkull · Sep 7, 2018

For those interested, it seems the wrong release bearing was sent. There are two, one is 12mm longer than the other. I have the shorter one, but I'm supposed to have the longer one which would disengage the clutch more thus fix the problem.
New one is in the post, I'll tell you all if it worked or not.

sierrafery · Sep 7, 2018

Good luck man, i hope it will end well.... as about this

RustySkull said:
, foolishly I changed it to single as that was recommened when I had it remapped.

shame on those who recommended that.... SCHMUCKS

RustySkull · Sep 13, 2018

sierrafery said:
Good luck man, i hope it will end well.... as about this
shame on those who recommended that.... SCHMUCKS

Haha yeah, and the bloke at RakeWay who seems alright on the phone seems to stand by his single mass unit too.

Anyway, so I had to pay the garage that fitted the clutch for two fittings which was £840. They couldn't get it to work, as soon as I got in it and felt the pedal was like a sponge I said it's got air in it, he said I've bleed it countless time, so I said well the master or slave is dead then, he dissagreed. So I took it anyway, lost all clutch pedal 2 miles down the road in the middle of a busy junction. Finally got home, and I'm waiting on a new master and slave from Paddocks as we speak. I've removed the old ones this morning ready to fit the new ones. If that fixes it, I'll be going back to them and demanding my money back as they should have known that by how the pedal was.

Anyway, we'll see if these new cylinders fixes it first. But I know, by replacing everything and bleeding it properly there isn't anything to be wrong left.

dstainton · Sep 14, 2018

Not sure if this is a help, but somewhere I read of an older person who didn't have the strength anymore to depress his clutch so he fitted an additional booster? I think. When I put in a HD clutch in my defender it was a little bit stiffer, but that's all. Don't know if this helps.

RustySkull · Sep 15, 2018

dstainton said:
Not sure if this is a help, but somewhere I read of an older person who didn't have the strength anymore to depress his clutch so he fitted an additional booster? I think. When I put in a HD clutch in my defender it was a little bit stiffer, but that's all. Don't know if this helps.

Interesting, I've heard of some but the stiffness of the clutch isn't the issue, the fact it does't work is the problem lol.

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