vizsla

vizsla

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Good evening all, has anyone managed to install a 3 point seat belt to a front defender centre seat.
I have a belt but can’t think of how or where to mount the top bracket to get it above shoulder height, i thought about a seat belt bar like are installed to wrag tops.

I thought I’d had a brainwave with a harness but apparently there not safe but that’s a different story

Any help please
 
Why? Just use it as fitted. Older Land Rovers don’t even have seat belts.

However, can see no reason why a harness wouldn’t be safe. And there must be loads of ways to fit a 3 point. But remember the belt should pull you back into the seat not down towards the seat base. Pulling down could cause a broken collarbone.
 
My first quetsion would be what are you trying to achive and why do you want a three point belt? It is not really a large enough seat to use for long distance or regularly IMO. It is not wide enough to use a child seat (one need for a three point belt), which I did look into when my son was born.

I would have thought the only way to mount one higher than the seat back would be a bar similar to what you get in a soft top. I would be interested to know why a harness is deemed unsafe. But I would also advocate for the above of just leaving it alone as lap belt. The rear side facing seats in mine don't even have belts fitted.
 
Hi, size wise it is fine with myself and my 8 & 11 year old
I don’t like the idea of a lap belt with the gear lever in front so would like to improve on this with a 3 point.
The issue iv been advised on with harnesses is they are designed to work in conjunction with a roll cage and helmet with neck restraint, without these they are more dangerous than standard seat belts, the first reason is in a roll over the roof can crumple but the occupants can’t move to the side or forward as there harnessed in so they could be crushed.
The other reason is in an impact the entire body is strapped in place so only the head moves violently where as in a normal seat belt the whole body can absorb the force.
For local trips I’m quite happy but we would like to do some travelling/camping so would look to go upto Scotland etc,
Any idea/ plans would be great
 
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vizsla said:
Hi, size wise it is fine with myself and my 8 & 11 year old
I don’t like the idea of a lap belt with the gear lever in front so would like to improve on this with a 3 point.
The issue iv been advised on with harnesses is they are designed to work in conjunction with a roll cage and helmet with neck restraint, without these they are more dangerous than standard seat belts, the first reason is in a roll over the roof can crumple but the occupants can’t move to the side or forward as there harnessed in so they could be crushed.
The other reason is in an impact the entire body is strapped in place so only the head moves violently where as in a normal seat belt the whole body can absorb the force.
For local trips I’m quite happy but we would like to do some travelling/camping so would look to go upto Scotland etc,
Any idea/ plans would be great
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I agree on the lap belt, not because of the gear lever but the stomach isn't something you'd want to be restrained by.

I don't really think much of that harness criticism holds water, there should always be a belt cutter in any car, being restrained by two shoulders would be far more comfortable. There wouldn't be much of a difference in terms of head movement, but again, I'd rather my head whipped forwards than askew. Younger kids tend to slip out of 3 point belts while they're beating each other up/falling asleep, so from that point of view the more straps the better!

Assuming that it's a 90, I'd look at adapting one of the commercially available seat belt bars.
 
vizsla said:
The issue iv been advised on with harnesses is they are designed to work in conjunction with a roll cage and helmet with neck restraint, without these they are more dangerous than standard seat belts, the first reason is in a roll over the roof can crumple but the occupants can’t move to the side or forward as there harnessed in so they could be crushed.
The other reason is in an impact the entire body is strapped in place so only the head moves violently where as in a normal seat belt the whole body can absorb the force.
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I’d have to say that all rather sounds like nonsense tbh.

Normal belts go tight the inertia bit in their name should they be needed and anything remotely modern has pre-tensions too which actively pull them even tighter. So a normal belt if working correctly will hold the body tight too.

As for your first point. Seriously come on….. there are million different variables that could happen. That has to be about the least likely of any time. Including being abducted by aliens.
 
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