ben tdi

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Ey up chaps,

I have a 1992 defender 200 tdi, last week the headlamps would not go off and were contantly dipped, narrowed the problem down to the dim dip unit which is full of crap and very badly corroded, i want to bypass this relay but i dont know which wires to connect together as there are 7 of them. Does any one know what to do!

it is a pink lucas 12v relay unit.
 
Don't bypass the relay it is there for a reason. Defender wiring is not the strongest and removing/bypassing is asking for trouble.
 
You want one of these:

Land Rover Defender Dim and Dip relay YWZ10003 | eBay

This is the proper Land Rover method of disabling the Dim-Dip system, the 'relay' in the auction is actually just a jumper that joins two pins in the relay socket behind the gauges. The part number is YWZ10003. Will cost you about £15 from Land Rover.

The alternative method is to just jump the two wires yourself with some suitable connectors. I'm not sure which wires one needs to jump though, I fitted the relay as I thought that was a more tidy solution. According to the thread linked above, you need to join the two blue/red wires at the socket.
 
Did I say anything about a regulation? Did I?

No but your still full of **** as you neither understand the reason for which it was there-which is obsolete or the fact that removing it will in no way worsen the situation.

Now would be the time to admit your talking about something you do not understand.
 
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my 87 90 had the same problem got it bypasted without any problems,
dont ask how as i payed some guy to do it (hate lectrickery :D)
 
Ey up chaps, found a new dim dip unit on ebay for about £15, i thought previously they cost £80 so i was going to bypass it, will wait for the new one and at least it will be a proper job :D.

Thankyou very much, that bypass relay looks like the best thing to do though if it goes again.
 
Having discovered that there doesn't seem to be a complete DIY solution to removing dim-dip elsewhere and having just sorted this myself, thought I'd post what I've discovered / done. I'll try to clear up concerns about legality and melting stuff on the way too.

According to wikipedia, dim-dip has not been legal requirement since 1988. However, it was still fitted to many Landy's for more than a decade after. Wikipedia background and the fact MOT chap told me to disable it last week, suggests it really should be removed these days.

The control unit is behind the dash clocks to the lower right. Over time there's been black and pink relay versions. Other posts say that the black version of dim-dip just needs the relay pulling and job done.

The pink version is wired differently and needs to be replaced by a jumper wire between pins 2 and 8. On a standard relay the physical positions correspond to pins 30 and 87. That is, the two opposite pins which are at 90 degrees to one another.

A loop's needed because the pink dim-dip relay bridges two blue / red wires to supply a feed into the main lighting switch, via it's 'normally closed' contact. This means that linking these pins with a loop of wire is electrically equivalent to having the dim-dip relay in place, as far as the lighting feed is concerned. The key point is that replacing the looped-through relay feed with a wire loop (same size wire IS important) between pins 30 and 87 creates no danger of melting anything, as someone had suggested earlier in the thread.

So, solutions...
- Buy the offical LR bypass = £ Loads I am sure
- Buy a by-pass relay off ebay = £15.

Or,

- Make your own bypass by taking the guts out of an old relay and solder a loop of fat wire between 30 and 87. For me, this worked very nicely and took no more than 10 minutes.

- Make a 2 inch loop from two male 1/4" crimp terminals and patch 30 to 87 in the dim-dip relay base (the two blue/red wires). So long as they are pushed in there tight, it's probably as safe as a loop inside a relay case.

Hope this info saves someone confusion, time, money etc.
 
Hi all, isnt a relay just another switch turned on and off by another electrical circuit? If you know how to turn the switch on or off by conecting or unconecting wires you could take out the relay and do away with this part of the circuit.

That should be easy to find using a volt meter shouldnt it?

James
 
Just to say thank you all. Just had the same problem on a Defender 2002 TD5. Joined this forum from putting the problem into Google, stripped the pink relay and now the lights switch on and off in line with the switches :) Amazing !
 
Reach under the drivers wing you will feel see A plug, pull them apart gets rid of dim,dip
 

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