dashwoodlandy
Member
I don't have any eyebrow tweezers, but I do have the good sense to only talk about things I actually have experience of.
I don't have any eyebrow tweezers, but I do have the good sense to only talk about things I actually have experience of.
Do you have lots of experience of talking rubbish then. The only difference between Gen II and GEN III is that GEN III have 2" extra lift capability. Which cannot be used unless the suspension is modified. So if you believe the advertising bumf by all means get GEN II units rather than standard Dunlops which do just the same job for much less money. I have possibly forgotten more about vehicles mechanics than you will ever know, but carry on smart arse it's your money.
dashwoodlandy
Member
Why would you consider me a smart ass, just for disagreeing with you.
How do you know how much I know about mechanics, I could be an F1 engineer for all you know, although based on your stock replies, there was no point updating F1 cars from Fangio's days, "them disc brakes are a complete waste of money, nothing wrong with drums" I can hear you now.
The Gen III is a copy of the L322 springs, firmer ride on road, softer ride off road, it is not just about a 2" lift, even the most basic mechanic knows that springs play a crucial role in a cars handling.
What a shame, as I have read many of your postings and can see your mechanical knowledge is wide, but it let down by a desire to never be questioned.
How do you know how much I know about mechanics, I could be an F1 engineer for all you know, although based on your stock replies, there was no point updating F1 cars from Fangio's days, "them disc brakes are a complete waste of money, nothing wrong with drums" I can hear you now.
The Gen III is a copy of the L322 springs, firmer ride on road, softer ride off road, it is not just about a 2" lift, even the most basic mechanic knows that springs play a crucial role in a cars handling.
What a shame, as I have read many of your postings and can see your mechanical knowledge is wide, but it let down by a desire to never be questioned.
ukadamwest
Well-Known Member
I have titanium ones with swarvoski crystals
Datatek
Well-Known Member
Gen III's are a bit more than just a 2" extra articulation, supposedly they give a variable spring rate due to the piston design.
People who know something can tell when somebody knows nowt. It's pretty simple really. All i said was GENIIIs are a waste of money on a road car. You carry on, no skin off my nose. I can give my best advice and try to save you a few bob, if you don't want to take it that is your prerogative. Fit your GENIIs and some crap shockers and see which effect handling more.
Datatek
Well-Known Member
The standard Range Rover P38 spring piston widens towards the top, effectively stiffening the spring rates as vehicle height increases. This gives a harder ride off road and a softer one at freeway speeds -- the opposite of what is needed. On the new Mk III, spring piston design has sensibly been modified to reverse this situation, giving softer spring rates in high profile and stiffer rates in low. This makes a lot more sense.
Arnott Gen III Adam Arnott (owner of Arnott Industries) decided to give P38 owners the same benefits by designing a new Generation III spring for the 1995-2002 models . Adam is a fellow Range Rover owner, with a Mk III as his daily driver and several P38s used as test mules. Working in consultation with RangeRovers.net, he came up with a totally new design (see pictures at right and below) with a two-stage piston that is wide at the bottom, where the bellows folds over it when in low profile (highway mode), but reduces to a narrower diameter for most of its length, where the bellows sits at standard and high profile (low speed and off road). To cap it off, a longer piston provides 2-3 inches more travel than the stock design.
The result is a noticeably smoother ride in high mode, noticeably more control in highway mode, and more usable wheel travel.
Arnott Gen III Adam Arnott (owner of Arnott Industries) decided to give P38 owners the same benefits by designing a new Generation III spring for the 1995-2002 models . Adam is a fellow Range Rover owner, with a Mk III as his daily driver and several P38s used as test mules. Working in consultation with RangeRovers.net, he came up with a totally new design (see pictures at right and below) with a two-stage piston that is wide at the bottom, where the bellows folds over it when in low profile (highway mode), but reduces to a narrower diameter for most of its length, where the bellows sits at standard and high profile (low speed and off road). To cap it off, a longer piston provides 2-3 inches more travel than the stock design.
The result is a noticeably smoother ride in high mode, noticeably more control in highway mode, and more usable wheel travel.
dashwoodlandy
Member
The only reason I have pressed the point, is that people like me look at the historical postings (use the search) and read as much as possible to make an informed decision, when some one who is obviously very knowledgable posts they are a waste of time, it tends to put us mere mortals off.
I read as many reviews of actual users before deciding to buy, the funny thing is I haven't fitted them yet...they may be rubbish
I will write an honest review as soon as they are fitted.
Datatek
Well-Known Member
I think Gen III's are an interesting punt if you have the spare cash to play. I fitted Gen II's and the car felt better even though no difference is claimed. 5 years on and they still look like new so should out last the Dunlops for a very modest extra cost.The only reason I have pressed the point, is that people like me look at the historical postings (use the search) and read as much as possible to make an informed decision, when some one who is obviously very knowledgable posts they are a waste of time, it tends to put us mere mortals off.
I read as many reviews of actual users before deciding to buy, the funny thing is I haven't fitted them yet...they may be rubbish
I will write an honest review as soon as they are fitted.
dashwoodlandy
Member
I inherited my P38 from my late fathers estate, I will spend more money on it than it is worth simply as it was my fathers, if I wasn't fitting Gen III arnotts then I would definitely fit Gen IIs as the quality of the materials used is far superior to the standard versions and pretty much the same price.
I notice that Arnott are giving members a 10% discount in the parts forum, not sure if it only applies to US customers and a bit to late for me.
O Bife
Active Member
That's what I have heard and was what helped me make up my mind. I was never really after the extra 2 inch travel of the Gen IIIs and when I heard the GenIIs did actually give a slightly better drive and that they lasted much longer than the Dunnies... well enough said for me.
O Bife
Active Member
You can also get them for a good price in the UK: Gen IIs UK (and that figure includes VAT.)
Those prices on the Dutch site are Ex VAT, so beware.
I would seriously hope it is a better ride, with a set of Dunlops at £224.00 a set of GENIIs at £398.00 and a set of GENIIIs at £799.00. Car should bloody well drive itself.
dashwoodlandy
Member
I bought my Gen IIIs direct from Arnott via their european website, the sole reason being the limited lifetime warranty, I have always found it better with lifetime warranties to purchase direct if possible, file the invoice away somewhere safe, in my case the cars history file, and then if I ever need to call on the warranty I have a manufacturer invoice to fall back on.
For Gen IIs P38 spares are £395.00 including Vat and shipping, Arnott are cheaper at £368.00 including 21% Vat and shipping Pound/euro exchange 1.30/£1
For Gen IIs P38 spares are £395.00 including Vat and shipping, Arnott are cheaper at £368.00 including 21% Vat and shipping Pound/euro exchange 1.30/£1
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So you are not in fact fitting GENIIIs but GENIIs?
dashwoodlandy
Member
No I am fitting Gen III at twice the price, I was simply replying to O Bife's price quote from P38 spares, give it rest now, it's getting old.
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Ok right, but it is better to quote the post you are replying to, that way there can be no misunderstanding. Saying where you bought yours in the beginning and then quoting the price of GENIIs later gave the impression you had bought GENIIs. My crystal ball is away for polishing please forgive me.
dashwoodlandy
Member
I have edited my posting for clarity
