guineafowl21
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Goddammit stop mentioning that name! Say it twice more and he'll appear...Not unless out litigious friends at LRCity have seriously downsized....
Goddammit stop mentioning that name! Say it twice more and he'll appear...Not unless out litigious friends at LRCity have seriously downsized....
Goddammit stop mentioning that name! Say it twice more and he'll appear...
A balanced and fair response. That's the way to do it! Are you listening, Land Rover City?No offence taken , and i do appreciate the many positive comments we get on this forum. We try to promote ourselves by a offering good, honest service and good quality products, something i hope all of our customers feel they receive.
I have modified the description on the website now to try not to plant the seed with an unscrupulous customer .
That's why I no longer follow any FB groups. At least on 'ere you get a load of interesting/informative threads before one goes bandy!This started on the Facebook page last night, but i think it was deleted as the discussion started to degrade.
Erm "WE"?The point we are stuck on
Erm "WE"?
It's not just me on here who disagrees with these units being on sale.
If someone's going to use one of these things, they might as well get it from Bells, at least it'll be a decent rebuilt unit. If they're getting one to flog on as 4WD, I'm sure they could save a couple of quid and get one from a place who primary expertise is sandblasting the casings so they look new.
Again, dodgy individuals (not you - I've covered that) will do what dodgy individuals will do. It's the fact that Bell are selling these that surprised me.
There in lies a clue - if its got a shiney case it ain't original so there should be a receipt - check it or beware!
Buyer beware indeed - although the shininess will dull with time or by other means. But even Austen from Bell couldn't (or didn't) justify the dummy output flange. He said it's what the customer wants, so they provide it (previously) for '4wd appearance'. This, for me, stretches 'buyer beware' a little too far. There are enough Del Boys out there; they don't need help like this.
For the UK market, can you think of any legitimate reason to sham fit the prop? I can't. That, for me, is the $64,000 question.
If you mean with the dummy 4wd IRD: As you accelerate, the rear diff will be driving the props and vcu, and on slowing down the inertia of them will be trying to drive the diff. This situation isn't too different from the standard 4wd setup, due to the slight gearing difference between the front and rear axles.Are you still creating strain on the rear having the two props and vcu still spinning from drive forward and backwards. Or do the rear act like bogey wheels regardless until drive needed.
Not unless out litigious friends at LRCity have seriously downsized....
You're spot on about the rarity of this issue - I don't expect Bell sell many of these units. It's something to keep in mind, but not lose any sleep about.I ended up having a right argument on Facebook about it. Got the guy to delete it in the end cos it's not good for business and not fair on Bell. I personally don't have an issue. It's supply and demand. There's a market for it so why turn business away. Also I have never heard of anyone unwittingly buying one. Not saying it won't happen but it'll be pretty rare compared to all the missing props!
No it wouldn't be the same, the car would still be in a ****e condition because the IRD would be crap (worn down bearings, broken teeth etc) and therefore likely to be dangerous and suffer serious problems. With the recon 2WD IRD the transmission will be in good condition and likely to provide reliable service for a good number of years. If the purpose is to deceive, it is at least done with some compassionYou're spot on about the rarity of this issue - I don't expect Bell sell many of these units. It's something to keep in mind, but not lose any sleep about.
As for supply and demand, what if I took NoDosh up on his offer and bought the LRV.co.uk name? I'm sure with a simple jig, a grinder and a decent MIG welder I could knock out VCUs with the guts taken out, say, one an hour... Charging, let's say, £50 a shot. I could change bearings and seals for not much more.
There'd be demand, from shady types wanting to shift their car on looking like a 4wd with a recon VCU (who else would want one? That's my problem with this), but should I supply it - what would everyone on LZ think of me? The mod is not so different from Bell's offering, just 3 feet further back. Theirs is a dummy pinion so the props can be kept, mine is dummy VCU for exactly the same purpose.
No it wouldn't be the same, the car would still be in a ****e condition because the IRD would be crap (worn down bearings, broken teeth etc) and therefore likely to be dangerous and suffer serious problems. With the recon 2WD IRD the transmission will be in good condition and likely to provide reliable service for a good number of years. If the purpose is to deceive, it is at least done with some compassion
Deception with compassion! I like the image. Here, the compassion is the recon IRD, and the deception the dummy flange. Also available seperately.
I would imagine the cutting/welding/tidying/painting is the time consuming part of reconditioning VCU - so if the purpose is to deceive, I think you'll probably go bust before the first person is fooled by it. So you should charge more - after all the dodgy dealer only has to remove the props to fit the VCU - much cheaper job than replacing the IRD.
Well, the economics was a side note, but hypothetically what would you think of such a company's morals?