the article specifically refers to sideways facing benches, perhaps they will have a different view on models with four inward facing individual seats, then again, ...
If not I can see a lot of people wanting to convert from 4 inward or 2 bench, to 2 forward facing, i.e., fold down and back from storage over wheel arches, with proper 3 point seat belts.
If not I can see a lot of people wanting to convert from 4 inward or 2 bench, to 2 forward facing, i.e., fold down and back from storage over wheel arches, with proper 3 point seat belts.
the_wolf
Well-Known Member
I loved this quote -
We are currently unable to insure Defenders fitted with sideways-mounted bench seats as we believe these present an unacceptable risk of bodily injury, said a spokesman.
They believe? As someone said in the comments where are the stats to back it up.
Some people 'believe' that theres an imaginary person who created the world in less than a week, doesnt mean its bloody true
We are currently unable to insure Defenders fitted with sideways-mounted bench seats as we believe these present an unacceptable risk of bodily injury, said a spokesman.
They believe? As someone said in the comments where are the stats to back it up.
Some people 'believe' that theres an imaginary person who created the world in less than a week, doesnt mean its bloody true
jamesmartin
Well-Known Member
so true it is the words we believe thats important rather than evidenceI loved this quote -
We are currently unable to insure Defenders fitted with sideways-mounted bench seats as we believe these present an unacceptable risk of bodily injury, said a spokesman.
They believe? As someone said in the comments where are the stats to back it up.
Some people 'believe' that theres an imaginary person who created the world in less than a week, doesnt mean its bloody true
jimmy62alan
Member
I wonder if this is only on bench seats, you could always just change to 3 separate seats with seatbelts or are they meaning the direction of the rear bench seats ?????.
Before I do my rear seats on my hybrid I think a few calls to insurance companies to check how I stand fitting separate seats in the back of my station wagon. Good call from the OP for posting this.
ALAN
Sheffield S25
Before I do my rear seats on my hybrid I think a few calls to insurance companies to check how I stand fitting separate seats in the back of my station wagon. Good call from the OP for posting this.
ALAN
Sheffield S25
DaninLids
Member
Two of the most expensive companies retreat from backing Defenders - probably will cause headaches for about three people.
Every quote I get lately is specialist for Land Rovers - with my rusting hulk qualifying for classic insurance pretty much it's only £150 a year fully comp with every bit of modding clagged to it with superglue. Including the dreaded bench seats that I have as standard.
Every quote I get lately is specialist for Land Rovers - with my rusting hulk qualifying for classic insurance pretty much it's only £150 a year fully comp with every bit of modding clagged to it with superglue. Including the dreaded bench seats that I have as standard.
top drive
Well-Known Member
the laws of physics have been around for a while lets be honest - the risk of spinal and internal injurys due to momentum are much higher as your body has limited left right movement in that axis unlike its forward backwards axis - there is a reason that seat belts are not mandatory in sideways seats as well , the belts do more harm than good.
what makes you think sideways seats are as safe as forward facing seats in?
more so some of the rear seats fit outs - sideways or otherwise ive seen in defenders and home brew crewcab vans i wouldnt wish on anyone in an accident.
what makes you think sideways seats are as safe as forward facing seats in?
more so some of the rear seats fit outs - sideways or otherwise ive seen in defenders and home brew crewcab vans i wouldnt wish on anyone in an accident.
top drive
Well-Known Member
Not mandatory to have belts in the back , i cant find it now but im sure they must be on a fitted seat of some kind , its illigal to put someone in the back of a van for example , which is what a landy without seats is .....
Seats or not i wouldnt want anyone in sideseats in the back of my landy the outcome of even a small incident will probably be lifechanging/fatal.
Seats or not i wouldnt want anyone in sideseats in the back of my landy the outcome of even a small incident will probably be lifechanging/fatal.
chris mcc
Still fixing it!
Ye, thought so! I'm gonna have to refit one of the bloody bench seats- I only occasionally have some one in the back but got an extra body for fishing this time round and it's my turn to drive!
Thanks for reply mate.
FlyingPete
Well-Known Member
Personally, I think the 'danger' of traveling sideways is greatly overestimated.
Almonds
Member
That settles it.
Ill remove the bench seats and have the kids sit in the middle of the tub un-restrained. Problem solved!
Alm.
On a serious note, theres a shed load of data and "experienced G-shock vs. Death" graphs out there dating back to the 50's and 60's when Col John Stapp had a hard on for riding a rocket sled in as many different positions as he could......and also a lot of info on nasa re-entry vehicles, g-loads and death plots. I think the best way to impact is arse first.
Ill remove the bench seats and have the kids sit in the middle of the tub un-restrained. Problem solved!
Alm.
On a serious note, theres a shed load of data and "experienced G-shock vs. Death" graphs out there dating back to the 50's and 60's when Col John Stapp had a hard on for riding a rocket sled in as many different positions as he could......and also a lot of info on nasa re-entry vehicles, g-loads and death plots. I think the best way to impact is arse first.
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daddy2coull
Active Member
out of interest, are they refusing to insure defenders with side facing rear seats full stop whether they are being used whilst the vehicle is in motion or not? I only ask as i have fitted some to the rear of my 90 purely to use when parked up so we have somewhere to get changed, make a brew or just eat our lunch.
