tonto the lone ranger can barely check tyres and window tint.
5 o are not going to pop bonnet- VOSA are a different matter and still single figure risk of being stopped
tonto the lone ranger can barely check tyres and window tint.
5 o are not going to pop bonnet- VOSA are a different matter and still single figure risk of being stopped
Every BMC Mini on the road is illegal then, I see little problem with a battery sat in a battery box providing it is packed to prevent sliding about.
tomcat59alan
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Morning , are you back or just getting in from a night out?
Ah the Mini, cardboard cover and a rubber strap as I remember
Morning , are you back or just getting in from a night out?
Yes strap holding card cover but battery was just dropped in and a bugger to get out sometimes. Still here til Sunday all good.
tomcat59alan
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As attached....
As the BMC Mini battery sits in a box, it is unlikey to fall over and would be considered secure!
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As the BMC Mini battery sits in a box, it is unlikey to fall over and would be considered secure!
So does the Range rovers. Which is my point as long as it's packed to stop it sliding about it would be find as far as I was concerned.
StuckAgainSteve
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MK2 onwards Ausrin Minis had a steel bracket holding the battery as well as a strap for the cover - which owners often discarded, the lugs for the battery retaining straps often rusted away.
Section 1.9 of MOT testers handbook "Check the condition and security of the battery(ies)"
Reason for rejection "A battery insecure or leaking electrolyte"
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Early ones didn't have one then? I cannot see how a battery sat in a battery box is insecure providing it is packed to prevent sliding. It's about interpretation but we do know some testers are NVQ wonder take a part off bolt a new one on mechanics.
tomcat59alan
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StuckAgainSteve
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Laws were different then. You didn't require seatbelts at one point. The point is today batteries must be secured. I know this is open to interpretation, but imho secured means unable to move independently in ANY direction. I'd fail an old Mini without the strap if the "secured" reg is retrospective - particularly as the Mini battery shares the boot space with the fuel tank.
NVQ = Not Very Qualified.
Laws were different then. You didn't require seatbelts at one point. The point is today batteries must be secured. I know this is open to interpretation, but imho secured means unable to move independently in ANY direction. I'd fail an old Mini without the strap if the "secured" reg is retrospective - particularly as the Mini battery shares the boot space with the fuel tank.
NVQ = Not Very Qualified.
I wouldn't things are not retrospective. There is no chance of a Mini battery getting anywhere near the fuel tank. At one time MOT testers had to have experience to be considered now it would seem any tom dick or Harry with an NVQ can be one after sweeping up in the garage for a year.
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I have posted this once and will repeat myself.
Having recently been on an MOT testers refresher course, a battery that isn't strapped in is not a reason to fail the MOT. Only if the battery is likely to fall off from its shelf is it a fail.
A Range Rover battery being effectively boxed in, (even an embryonic battery) will not fall off anything, therefore it should not fail.
In MOT terms, insecure means literally about to fall off!
The problem is VOSA introduced several items last year with no guidance to tester as to what we should be looking for, and now they are relying on the information to get to the testers on the 'grapevine'. VOSA know that many testers are now applying wrong testing standards in several areas due to their poor communication, but aren't actively giving the testers the corrected information.
Having recently been on an MOT testers refresher course, a battery that isn't strapped in is not a reason to fail the MOT. Only if the battery is likely to fall off from its shelf is it a fail.
A Range Rover battery being effectively boxed in, (even an embryonic battery) will not fall off anything, therefore it should not fail.
In MOT terms, insecure means literally about to fall off!
The problem is VOSA introduced several items last year with no guidance to tester as to what we should be looking for, and now they are relying on the information to get to the testers on the 'grapevine'. VOSA know that many testers are now applying wrong testing standards in several areas due to their poor communication, but aren't actively giving the testers the corrected information.
tomcat59alan
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Had a lad come for a job as a mechanic, it was advertised as experience required. He said he had experience so he got an interview. Turned out he had 6 mths working on the counter at Halfrauds.
Datatek
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Battery's tend to drop out of the box quite easily if unsecured should the vehicle flip in an accident, the sparks as the the battery posts hit the metal work may cause a fire.
So P38s fitted with coil springs that are more likely to roll over should have a battery strap then? Bit of straw clutching there Keith.
Datatek
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Not at all, I've seen the results of unsecured batteries and I was not referring to the P38 in particular. Our local recovery company regularly recovers vehicles that have managed to flip so it's not uncommon.So P38s fitted with coil springs that are more likely to roll over should have a battery strap then? Bit of straw clutching there Keith.
If a secured battery is not part of the UK MOT, it should be IMO.
UPDATE:
Made a new strap to meet the hole centres as kindly posted of 260mm.
The strap is a 30x3mm mild steel flat bar, cut to 283mm length.
M10 clearance hole drilled at 10mm centre from each end, this gives 263mm hole centres on the flat bar, once it has been given a set of approx. 1.5" (38mm ish) the holes move inwards by a couple of mm.
Offered up to battery and marked where the set is to start and finish, hand folded in a vice and then using an M8 bolt to the slam panel. the other end is slid over the existing 6mm(?) post, the M10 clearance hole gives plenty of wiggle room on the post for flexibility of fitment, this is then secured using a M6 and M10 washer to ensure the M6 nut doesn't foul on the M10 hole!
Simples...photos attached.
Made a new strap to meet the hole centres as kindly posted of 260mm.
The strap is a 30x3mm mild steel flat bar, cut to 283mm length.
M10 clearance hole drilled at 10mm centre from each end, this gives 263mm hole centres on the flat bar, once it has been given a set of approx. 1.5" (38mm ish) the holes move inwards by a couple of mm.
Offered up to battery and marked where the set is to start and finish, hand folded in a vice and then using an M8 bolt to the slam panel. the other end is slid over the existing 6mm(?) post, the M10 clearance hole gives plenty of wiggle room on the post for flexibility of fitment, this is then secured using a M6 and M10 washer to ensure the M6 nut doesn't foul on the M10 hole!
Simples...photos attached.
