Turboman
Mab An Gov
Even if you refer to selling the old one in 3 separate posts?
Even if you refer to selling the old one in 3 separate posts?
blue beasty
Leaks an prone to bits dropping off
Seperate issue, one thing at a time please, I int a wimmins ya nose
Turboman
Mab An Gov
tobyd10
Member
Hi Turboman.
I enjoy hearing a point of view but the post originally was asking for advice in fitting a 300tdi in the 6 cylinder Landrover not whether I should do it.
As far as misreporting the engine change, although it still seems a bit in the air it appears fitting a Landrover engine with no others changed will keep my Landrover tax and MOT exempt come May.
I would agree if I was only going to use the Landrover for low miles it would have been interesting to see if the extra power of a P5 engine made much difference.
Cheers
I enjoy hearing a point of view but the post originally was asking for advice in fitting a 300tdi in the 6 cylinder Landrover not whether I should do it.
As far as misreporting the engine change, although it still seems a bit in the air it appears fitting a Landrover engine with no others changed will keep my Landrover tax and MOT exempt come May.
I would agree if I was only going to use the Landrover for low miles it would have been interesting to see if the extra power of a P5 engine made much difference.
Cheers
blue beasty
Leaks an prone to bits dropping off
Right I've got me pinny on.....
Selling, even by stealth int allowed until you have met the criteria so stop it
Dunno about a 300 but I know a 200tdi will fit in a six pot Series though it tight. I put one in, ended up changing the gearbox complete with bell housing and on the original box brackets the engine sits VERY close to the bulkhead. So much so there isn't room for the starter feed without it getting squashed and arcing out in interesting ways.
Moved the engine mounts about 6".
As already said I'd seriously think twice. The engine might not be original but it is a 6 pot in a six pot set up and they are becoming very difficult to find and sought after.
Selling, even by stealth int allowed until you have met the criteria so stop it
Dunno about a 300 but I know a 200tdi will fit in a six pot Series though it tight. I put one in, ended up changing the gearbox complete with bell housing and on the original box brackets the engine sits VERY close to the bulkhead. So much so there isn't room for the starter feed without it getting squashed and arcing out in interesting ways.
Moved the engine mounts about 6".
As already said I'd seriously think twice. The engine might not be original but it is a 6 pot in a six pot set up and they are becoming very difficult to find and sought after.
Turboman
Mab An Gov
It is a grey area. The rules on historic vehicles are changing, and the Government are moving the goalposts, as usual.
At first it was stated that all major mods would disqualify a vehicle from historic status. That now seems to have changed, and a self declaration system for mods is to be introduced, although the details of that is still unclear.
Irrespective of the details of the regs, my own feeling is that the changes you are proposing are going to cost you money, and our motoring heritage a classic vehicle.
But it is your motor, and your money, so that is up to you.
Doesn't alter the fact that you should not be advertising the old engine on the public forum, however.
Personally I would never swap out any 6 cyl for any 4. I've driven a lot of miles in various makers' 6s and 4s and without any doublt 6s are much nicer and a lot easier on the box.. My S2A is a 3.3 4cly and if I could get a nice old 6 cly diesel that fitted in it I would but there are none. The 3.3 engine is 1968 in a 1970 vehicle so I'm relaxed about the wrong engine on points as its period. That P5 engine must be close to period and would probably still come into the historic range. Fuel savings would never pay back for the work. As for the space issue, I don't get it, I have built side lockers into my series for camping and got 80ltrs of space with no reduction in the interior. At the moment I'm investigating the spece under the drivers floor and think there's another 10 ltr of storage to be got.
jamesmartin
Well-Known Member
when i fitted a 2.5 in a 109 6 cylinder i changed bell housing moved box forward as std 4 cylinder 109s
Turboman
Mab An Gov
Perkins in a 4 cylinder is another matter altogether. Perkins 4/203 is a better engine than any diesel landrover ever made, and 4 cylinder landrovers are very common.
My Perkins engined 109 was originally a 6 cylinder, but I bought it like that, and it was actually converted back in the late seventies, before a 2a 6 cylinder got any great rarity value.
As it happens, the vehicle is still around, and has now been re-engined with a 6 cylinder again.
I've still got the first LR my Father bought - it's a '58 SIIA - sadly now a a complete basket case, but it's all there, and, given I passed me test in it, er, a couple of years back I'm going to restore it. ( yeah yeah, it's more a couple of anything ago but )
Officially it's a 2.25 petrol, and it'll probably stay that way - I'd consider a change to 6 pot petrol , or possibly V8 - but there is no way in hell I'd consider an oil burner in it, I value what's left of me hearing.
I'm going to restore it. ( yeah yeah, it's more a couple of anything ago but )Officially it's a 2.25 petrol, and it'll probably stay that way - I'd consider a change to 6 pot petrol
, or possibly V8 - but there is no way in hell I'd consider an oil burner in it, I value what's left of me hearing.I've still got the first LR my Father bought - it's a '58 SIIA - sadly now a a complete basket case, but it's all there, and, given I passed me test in it, er, a couple of years back
Officially it's a 2.25 petrol, and it'll probably stay that way - I'd consider a change to 6 pot petrol
I just noticed this post and I thought I would chip in . If as you say your Land Rover is a 1958 Series 2 , not 2a, then it could possibly be one of the very early Series 2s which could make it potentially collectible . If you do restore it then keeping it as a 2.25 petrol would make it more valuable .
If I wasn't wedded to my Series Ones I would only ever have a pre-1961 Series Two , as they are the least common of the standard Series Land Rovers .
Thanks for the info
- it's deffo 1958. (well, according to the docs - so probably anyones guess ) AFAIK, the engine, gearbox etc are all original, so was always going to keep it 2.25 petrol - i'll just have to get my V8 fix with something else !!
If you have the chassis number it should not be too difficult to find out exactly when it was built . It could be worth doing some research to see what you have . It won't be in the first 1500 or so built as they still had the 2ltr engine but you never know it might be one of the first 2.25ltrs . Be aware that Series Twos are going the same way as Series Ones and becoming more collectible .
How bad are the chassis and bulkhead ? I would guess they are pretty rusty , obviously they could be replaced but I would suggest only as a last resort . Is the restoration of it something that is going to happen , or just might happen when you get time ? Because if it is a long term project it would definitely be worth preserving what you have got and not let it deteriorate any further .
Yes , the V8 should not go anywhere near the Series Two as that would be sacrilege .
How bad are the chassis and bulkhead ? I would guess they are pretty rusty , obviously they could be replaced but I would suggest only as a last resort . Is the restoration of it something that is going to happen , or just might happen when you get time ? Because if it is a long term project it would definitely be worth preserving what you have got and not let it deteriorate any further .
Yes , the V8 should not go anywhere near the Series Two as that would be sacrilege .
Chalky.
Well-Known Member
I completely agree with you.
I've driven a 109 6 pot and they wont pull the skin off a rice pudding, sh!t engine, especially if you are wanting to commute, similar in performance to 2 1/4 petrol, and about the same mpg.
People get all misty eyed, but at the end of the day its YOUR landy, do with it what you will. I've personally cut my 2 door rangie chassis in half and shortened it, 1) because I could never afford or have the time to weld up the rubbish 2 door shell, and 2)because I wanted to make a coiler hybrid out of my series 3 with v8 running gear, blasphemy to most, but feck em, its your toy! A tdi 200 or 300 are possible good conversions, although will be a fair amount of work. Good luck with way. I have a td5 90 as my daily commute, and love it!
