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Twinnie

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Does anyone happen to know if Defenders in Africa were ever sold with the rubber nudge bar? I’ve never seen any with one but if they were actually sold here I might start the mission to find one.

Is there anything I can find that will tell me more about the Africa setups?
Thanks.
 
Look for nudge bars by different names:
Bull bar,
A bar,
or A frame.
They are pretty much all the same for the front bumper.
 
Twinnie said:
Does anyone happen to know if Defenders in Africa were ever sold with the rubber nudge bar? I’ve never seen any with one but if they were actually sold here I might start the mission to find one.

Is there anything I can find that will tell me more about the Africa setups?
Thanks.
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I don't. But do remember that full width bull bars are illegal in the UK on vehicles after a certain date, think it might be 1996, but not sure.

Which is why you hardly ever see them now, mostly A bars.
 
It was my understanding that all the metal bull bars/A bars were illegal on the roads in the UK. The vehicle will be returning to the UK in a few years so I don’t want to buy a metal one that I’ll have to take off soon, and I don’t want one that’s going to hurt anyone if I do get in an accident. More likely than you think in Africa. We have a local LR dealer here actually, maybe a question for them. Hopefully they’re not as useless as most of the dealers are round here.
 
Twinnie said:
It was my understanding that all the metal bull bars/A bars were illegal on the roads in the UK. The vehicle will be returning to the UK in a few years so I don’t want to buy a metal one that I’ll have to take off soon, and I don’t want one that’s going to hurt anyone if I do get in an accident. More likely than you think in Africa. We have a local LR dealer here actually, maybe a question for them. Hopefully they’re not as useless as most of the dealers are round here.
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I am fairly sure the metal a-bars are legal, they are fitted to nearly every land rover and lots of modern pickup trucks have these fitted as well. I personally have the full wrap around bullbars but I know these are not legal for all vehicles as the post above.

Being cynical I would suggest if you are being hit by the front of a land rover weather the bars are made from foam or steel is not going to very high on your priority list and unless at very low speeds probably not going to make much of a difference. the bumper is still a piece of steel box section.
 
A proper full metal bull bar gives the pedestrian something to hold on to so they don't get dragged underneath :eek:
They've been illegal (to new cars/retrofit)for quite a while now in UK
 
dag019 said:
I am fairly sure the metal a-bars are legal, they are fitted to nearly every land rover and lots of modern pickup trucks have these fitted as well. I personally have the full wrap around bullbars but I know these are not legal for all vehicles as the post above.

Being cynical I would suggest if you are being hit by the front of a land rover weather the bars are made from foam or steel is not going to very high on your priority list and unless at very low speeds probably not going to make much of a difference. the bumper is still a piece of steel box section.
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I am pretty sceptical about bars in general. Unless they are mounted top and bottom, I don't think they will do much to protect a vehicle, because they are only attached by 4 bolts through a steel plate at the bottom, impact mostly pushes the bars back into the bodywork.

The only use I have ever found for them is tying show cattle to while you are washing them, and I don't do that any more.
 
Turboman said:
I am pretty sceptical about bars in general. Unless they are mounted top and bottom, I don't think they will do much to protect a vehicle, because they are only attached by 4 bolts through a steel plate at the bottom, impact mostly pushes the bars back into the bodywork.

The only use I have ever found for them is tying show cattle to while you are washing them, and I don't do that any more.
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I think it's the same with the metal light guards, you end up with more damage than you'd have without them
 
kermit_rr said:
I think it's the same with the metal light guards, you end up with more damage than you'd have without them
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The one time I have "used" a light guard was when I reversed my 109" into a tree.
It flattened the light guard, the light lens, and the two screws that hold the light on, leaving the bits of lens trapped in a flattened cage of steel which I had to cut in pieces to remove.

Which reminds me of another thing about bull bars. Unless they are very carefully designed, they make simple jobs like changing bulbs and removing the Grille much harder.
 
Turboman said:
The one time I have "used" a light guard was when I reversed my 109" into a tree.
It flattened the light guard, the light lens, and the two screws that hold the light on, leaving the bits of lens trapped in a flattened cage of steel which I had to cut in pieces to remove.

Which reminds me of another thing about bull bars. Unless they are very carefully designed, they make simple jobs like changing bulbs and removing the Grille much harder.
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https://www.wisebread.com/to-change-the-bulb-just-remove-the-bumper-wait-what

:rolleyes:
 
Yep I know, but I have faced cattle on roads, I stopped they mostly went round, but several bumped into the front.
 
Turboman said:
I am pretty sceptical about bars in general. Unless they are mounted top and bottom, I don't think they will do much to protect a vehicle

The only use I have ever found for them is tying show cattle to while you are washing them, and I don't do that any more.
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The grill bits do stop pheasants removing your headlights though. I had one on for years, shortly after taking it off, a pheasant spun the light so it was pointing into the wheel arch
 
Def90man said:
The grill bits do stop pheasants removing your headlights though. I had one on for years, shortly after taking it off, a pheasant spun the light so it was pointing into the wheel arch
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I don't think I have hit a pheasant since I lived in North Hampshire nearly 40 years ago.

Shame really, I used to pick em up and take em home to eat.
 
Turboman said:
I don't think I have hit a pheasant since I lived in North Hampshire nearly 40 years ago.

Shame really, I used to pick em up and take em home to eat.
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Several are hit here most days cos the malt barley going between distilleries falls out of the bulkers along the roads and the pheasants sit on the road all day. The clever ones last a bit longer than the stoopid ones
 
Def90man said:
Several are hit here most days cos the malt barley going between distilleries falls out of the bulkers along the roads and the pheasants sit on the road all day. The clever ones last a bit longer than the stoopid ones
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They aren't the brightest. In Hampshire, thousands got released, and some would go onto the roads to eat spilled grain or insects.
After a while, one would certainly get hit, and then after a few days you would see the others standing around the flattened carcase, pecking the maggots out of it.
Obviously, except to a pheasant, that is only going to have one ending.
 
Def90man said:
The grill bits do stop pheasants removing your headlights though. I had one on for years, shortly after taking it off, a pheasant spun the light so it was pointing into the wheel arch
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That is the reason I have the additional piece of wire mesh in the centre of my bull bar. Ever since a pheasant smashed one of my spotlights!
 
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