thanks wammy and keith ,,, 1st where is the asccumalator is it the big blck round unit on left hand side ????????? if so can they be refurbed or will a seconhand one do ? also love the banter about the leakages i.e. bladder im on water tablets and when they say youv'e got to **** then youv'e got to **** and its always somwhere were theres no fkin toilets cos i go out and forget iv;e took the tablets so now i think the dementias kikin in but i am 61 ,,nevermind ay ,,,cheers lads keep the patter goin think its great and many thanks for the help cheers MOZZ