Ninja Goat · Jul 18, 2021

Hi all, this is my first post, so please be gentle with me.

Does anybody know what this number signifies? At present it’s on the front axel of my 1980? S3-88-Petrol.

The only other identification number I have on the vehicle in the 14-digit VIN (LBCAH1AA121383) which states it’s a 109 but it’s an 88 or is now! The engine is a replacement and there appears to be no number on the chassis leg or on the V5.

Regards,

Paul

nathanglasgow · Jul 19, 2021

Diff made early 1979. How is the vehicle described on the V5c?

Blackburn · Jul 19, 2021

Sounds like you have a ringer no way the chassis can be legally shortened. so some pics of chassis as 88 and 109 are made differently. 88 4 plates welded together 109 two halves welded to gether with seam top and bottom.

Ninja Goat · Jul 19, 2021

nathanglasgow said:
Diff made early 1979. How is the vehicle described on the V5c?

Hi Thanks for getting back so quickly. The V5 says: Land Rover - Estate- 2 axel- petrol- 2286 cc and thats all

Blackburn · Jul 20, 2021

Where is the VIn plate fitted? Maybe that part has been replaced.
Is the VIN number on the V5 and does it match?

Ninja Goat · Jul 20, 2021

Blackburn said:
Where is the VIn plate fitted? Maybe that part has been replaced.
Is the VIN number on the V5 and does it match?

Hi Blackburn,

Thanks for replying.

What I’m trying to do is find out some history for the vehicle. So using and numbers I find to help i.e. diff number. The VIN has thrown me as it is the same on the V5. I have been on to DVLA and because its manufacture date is 1980 but first registered 1990 it could be: on private land – import or Ex Military. (Its dark green with Safari top).

Ninja Goat · Jul 20, 2021

nathanglasgow said:
Diff made early 1979. How is the vehicle described on the V5c?

Hi Nathanglasgow,

Thanks for replying.

What I’m trying to do is find out some history for the vehicle. So using and numbers I find to help i.e. diff number. The VIN has thrown me as it is the same on the V5. I have been on to DVLA and because its manufacture date is 1980 but first registered 1990 it could be: on private land – import or Ex Military. (Its dark green with Safari top).

Blackburn · Jul 20, 2021

The axles themselves may still have a visible number stamped on axle case rear passenger side /top.
Can you find the rear diff number to see if same ball park number.
Late 1980 had different half shafts and two same size bearings in the wheel hubs.

Zed. · Jul 20, 2021

Ninja Goat said:
What I’m trying to do is find out some history for the vehicle. So using and numbers I find to help i.e. diff number. The VIN has thrown me as it is the same on the V5. I have been on to DVLA and because its manufacture date is 1980 but first registered 1990 it could be: on private land – import or Ex Military. (Its dark green with Safari top).

dvla just register the details supplied on the registration form.

if it was ex-mod then it should be sorta obvious

anything could have happened BUT there should be a papertrail that can be followed if ex-mod.

Rich.

Ninja Goat · Jul 20, 2021

Zed. said:
dvla just register the details supplied on the registration form.

if it was ex-mod then it should be sorta obvious
anything could have happened BUT there should be a papertrail that can be followed if ex-mod.

Rich.

Thanks Zed, how do I find this MOD paper trail?

Ninja Goat · Jul 20, 2021

Zed. said:
dvla just register the details supplied on the registration form.

if it was ex-mod then it should be sorta obvious
anything could have happened BUT there should be a papertrail that can be followed if ex-mod.

Rich.

Hi Zed again. When you say it's - sorta obvious, I'm being thick here. What are the signs if not either; Camo or definite MOD colour.

Wildefalcon · Jul 21, 2021

Google the Merlin database, it's on line to download and will have all MOD assets on it. I found mine there.

tottot · Jul 21, 2021

Other than colour, ex MOD types often have extra non standard bracketry where military equipment was fitted, Holes and shading where unit badges were fitted. Extra driving info signs in cab. However in the 70's 80's the MOD did purchase a batch or two of standard Landy's when there was a shortage as the result of things like the Falklands war.
On Landy's of 30 years plus who knows what parts have been changed so numbers on them may be of limited value. Some pics may help.

Ninja Goat · Jul 21, 2021

Wildefalcon said:
Google the Merlin database, it's on line to download and will have all MOD assets on it. I found mine there.

Thanks for this info. Can't find a ERM plate on mine.

Ninja Goat · Jul 21, 2021

tottot said:
Other than colour, ex MOD types often have extra non standard bracketry where military equipment was fitted, Holes and shading where unit badges were fitted. Extra driving info signs in cab. However in the 70's 80's the MOD did purchase a batch or two of standard Landy's when there was a shortage as the result of things like the Falklands war.
On Landy's of 30 years plus who knows what parts have been changed so numbers on them may be of limited value. Some pics may help.

Thanks for this. The VIN plate matches the V5 but not a lot more info- no engine or chassis no.. The VIN states it's a 109 but it’s an 88. manufactured in 1980 first registered in 1990. DVLA say that the information on the V5, is all that was given at first registration.

Wildefalcon · Jul 21, 2021

What info is on Merlin? Lots can go wrong on registration with the DVLA.

Zed. · Jul 21, 2021

tottot said:
Other than colour, ex MOD types often have extra non standard bracketry where military equipment was fitted, Holes and shading where unit badges were fitted. Extra driving info signs in cab. However in the 70's 80's the MOD did purchase a batch or two of standard Landy's when there was a shortage as the result of things like the Falklands war.
On Landy's of 30 years plus who knows what parts have been changed so numbers on them may be of limited value. Some pics may help.

^^This...

BUT colour of a Landy does not mean it was anything

Ninja Goat said:
Thanks for this. The VIN plate matches the V5 but not a lot more info- no engine or chassis no.. The VIN states it's a 109 but it’s an 88. manufactured in 1980 first registered in 1990. DVLA say that the information on the V5, is all that was given at first registration.

maybe worth a heritage cert as this will have factory build details etc.

https://certificates.britishmotormuseum.co.uk/certificate/

Ninja Goat said:
DVLA say that the information on the V5, is all that was given at first registration.

take what the dvla say with a (ton) bag of salt, they have the info as supplied by the person filling the forms @ first registration AND bored agency staff that might have read said forms before the (haphazard) data-entry....

that's if they could've been bothered to read

Rich.

Ninja Goat · Jul 21, 2021

Zed. said:
^^This...

BUT colour of a Landy does not mean it was anything

maybe worth a heritage cert as this will have factory build details etc.

https://certificates.britishmotormuseum.co.uk/certificate/

take what the dvla say with a (ton) bag of salt, they have the info as supplied by the person filling the forms @ first registration AND bored agency staff that might have read said forms before the (haphazard) data-entry....

that's if they could've been bothered to read

Rich.

Thanks Zed, Agree with the apathetic data inputters and also if the information on the forms was hand written ……… well look at Doctors hand writing. I’ve got a feeling there’s many a person with this type of dilemma.

nathanglasgow said:
Diff made early 1979. How is the vehicle described on the V5c?

Hi Nathanglasgow
I think I need your assistance again.

This is photo of my rear Diff, is this from the same year?
Kind regards, Paul

Wildefalcon · Jul 22, 2021

Do bear in mind that if you have an ex-mod vehicle it's quite possible that the diff was replaced with a recondition unit in service.

If you really need the full story on your diff contact Nige at 4x4 excess.

Do you have a photo of the rear crossmember? The gearbox crossmember? They are different on military spec. vehicles.

nathanglasgow · Jul 22, 2021

Looks like late 1972

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