CRIKEY steve your worse than me ,,,ha ha i didnt think it was possible!!!!! i live in the second grove of haswell avenue mate,what you doin to the g,box is it siii mate got loads o bits if yer stuck,bottom right hand corner ,,no rangie in drive,i,m out tough only jokin if theres no motor im only doin messages for the missus,hang about i wont be long, my missus cant get to the door cos she,s disabled or call later if you like.....................dave