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As per title, if it's a computer of sorts, that has very little memory, and if you discount the environmental factors like moisture, thermal and vibration, why does it breakdown. Or is it the environmental conditions that cause it to breakdown?
Also when we send it away to the magicians who fix them what is actually repaired? Just curiuos to know really-but aren't we all?
 
I have one to play with courtesy of Irish Rover. Lots of things can cause failures like voltage surges from a badly done jump start, moisture ingress from leaking heater "O" rings, wiring shorts and so on. Some would have you believe it's the age of the components. I used to design and manufacture industrial control systems using similar components, starting in the mid 80's. Most are still in use and most of the failures when they are returned are memory back up battery problems, failed electrolytics in the power supply or damage caused by wiring changes on the machine. Simple component failures are rare.
Memory data loss can also be caused by external factors and some types of memory do lose data with age and the number of cycles performed, hence the loss of synch and similar problems.
Others willl no doubt have their own views.

Forgot to mention dry solder joints, another cause of failure!
 
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Why are the BECMs not interchangable?? ive swapped ECUs in the past on other vehicles and not had any probs, i no the BECM is programmed to that certain car but why can you not change or swop it for say another 96 model dse like for like or can you??
 
You can if you have the kit to unlock the BECM and re program it to your vehicle. Irish Rover can do it, I expect to be able to when I save up enough cash for the required software module for my Faultmate MSV.
 
You can if you have the kit to unlock the BECM and re program it to your vehicle. Irish Rover can do it, I expect to be able to when I save up enough cash for the required software module for my Faultmate MSV.


Soooo is it cheaper to do it this way or if mine ever failed get it repaired, i think its been repaired before coz the BECM has got the old owners EBAY user name written on it, so im guessin its had a problem and been fixed, it would be good to have a spare then i could just plug the spare in and get the original repaired as and when i can, but at least my Rangie would still be on the road, Thats in my ideal world and ive found out with the P38s itss never that easy. Thanks for the reply Datatek. :)
 
I would add that I think the poor old BECM gets blamed for a lot of problems that have other causes. Nice big expensive bit for the stealers to change.
 
I would add that I think the poor old BECM gets blamed for a lot of problems that have other causes. Nice big expensive bit for the stealers to change.


I did think that all these problems couldnt be down to the BECM, i mean there must be somert in the first place to trigger the BECM to shut down certain circuits, and if they are soo craappy then surley Land Rover wouldnt of used them for soooo long. :doh::doh:
 
If like it is suggested it could be down to enviromental factor like moisture or vibration- surely it should be better insulated- maybe put into a rubber breifcase or something. Or just better located within the car.
I was speaking to an AA patrol man the other day, and even he couldn't believe that such an emensly strong and rugged vehicle could just go electronically mental because of moisture. I watch some of those P38s on youtube wading through deep water and I think to myself, thats fecked in the next 20 minutes. Makes you wonder what these designers were thinking at the drawing board stage!
 
If like it is suggested it could be down to enviromental factor like moisture or vibration- surely it should be better insulated- maybe put into a rubber breifcase or something. Or just better located within the car.
I was speaking to an AA patrol man the other day, and even he couldn't believe that such an emensly strong and rugged vehicle could just go electronically mental because of moisture. I watch some of those P38s on youtube wading through deep water and I think to myself, thats fecked in the next 20 minutes. Makes you wonder what these designers were thinking at the drawing board stage!

Aye, they could not have found a more stupid location on a 4 X 4 for the BECM and for that matter the EAS ECU. But then the P38 was designed as an American cruiser.
 
Aye, they could not have found a more stupid location on a 4 X 4 for the BECM and for that matter the EAS ECU. But then the P38 was designed as an American cruiser.

Soddin hell, i didnt no that 1, i have noticed that the Americans used them alot in the "gang" films as "mob" cars etc etc...
 
This is an interesting thread & one i'd like to add little knowledge to.

Firstly, our new website is up & running after our old one compleatly disappeared.

Right, to understand how problems unfold inside a becm is to understand how they work & what every single component does when it's hot.

The most common failure within the becm is age related components,& keeping in mind the becm is always hot even when the ignition is off. The most important components only have a shelf life of ten years. The other passive components life span depends on many other factors like power spikes from jump leads etc which can break down the reliabilty in the long run. Leaky components account for a high percentage of repairs & if left, over time, will render the boards useless through corrosion.
Then you have data & signaling failure which can only be tested with the becm under load. It's goes on & on & on.
The components inside these becm's are now obsolete & have been for a number of years. We know this as we have to source our components from every corner of the globe, & unfortunately, components that fit one becm will not fit another if it was made before or after such a date.
Repairing & unlocking are compleatly different. Unlocking a becm only lets it get reprogrammed. It wont rectify any faults. The same faults will still be there.
When buying a used secondhand becm that fully works is like flipping a coin. You have to take into account why it's been taken off the vehicle in the first place.
90% of becm's that our customers purchase from fleabay & such for us to reprogram for them get returned back to them after they fail testing, & then the same becm will appear on ebay a week later, again.
By the time a used becm has been purchased, sent off to be reprogrammed & returned cost's sometimes more than purchasing a rebuilt unit, especially if it need's some sort of repair as well.
It's always easier & cheaper to get the original becm repaired in the first place than it is to buy another, get it reprogrammed, etc etc.
Most of the companies in the past that repaired becm's have now stopped due to the increasing complexity of these modules, & others are just incapable but will still take your money & keep your becm for weeks at a time.

One of these guy's who call's himself Mtech, is the worst i've ever heard of. One of his customers who subsequently used us in the end, got charged £360 each time his engine ecu lost sync with the becm, stating he had to solder a 160 pin chip each time. This occured 3 times.
After many complaints & a visit from Trading standards he now states that he's in Australia. BBA Reman, great company, Know's there stuff about ecu's, can repair failed components but can not repair corrupt data, therefor achieving about 30% of what we can with these becm's & we have had quite a few of the trade switch to us, especially as we can achieve success 100% & only charge half the price.

However, i'm going off track here although i can make those statements with full confidence.
So, these becm's are a complex piece of kit, near on impossible to fix yourself without the specialist knowledge, let along the thousands of pounds worth of equipement, & we're here to offer any amount of free advice on any becm issue, as long as you email through our website & not PM's.
Opps! forgive me for dribbling on guy's but to go into true depth regarding these modules would take weeks.
 
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Hi Rick,

Thanks for that great imput.

If you had to relocate the BECM in the range rover, no matter the job with all the wires ..., where would you install it?

Best Regards

Florent
 
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Where the passenger sunvisor goes! or more realisticly where the subwoofer is just like in the Audi allroads etc vertical mount in a rubber breifcase!


Hi Rick,

Thanks for that great imput.

If you had to relocate the BECM in the range rover, no matter the job with all the wires ..., where would you install it?

Best Regards

Florent
 
Hi i have a 1997 p38 with dash/ignition lights on all the time even with no key in.been told its prob the becm. Can you tell me where and how much to repair this? Thanks colin. 077333 81744 or 0118 9454700 located in reading berkshire
 
Hi i have a 1997 p38 with dash/ignition lights on all the time even with no key in.been told its prob the becm. Can you tell me where and how much to repair this? Thanks colin. or 000 located in reading berkshire

Geeeezus Aitch Colin :eek: :doh:


Edit your post and remove yer phone number.


Then trot along to the introduce yourself bit
 
Aye, they could not have found a more stupid location on a 4 X 4 for the BECM and for that matter the EAS ECU. But then the P38 was designed as an American cruiser.
Oh yes they could, like in the swimming pool under the spare wheel. They stuck the EAS comp there on the later R/R models:doh:
 
Hi i have a 1997 p38 with dash/ignition lights on all the time even with no key in.been told its prob the becm. Can you tell me where and how much to repair this? Thanks colin. 077333 81744 or 0118 9454700 located in reading berkshire
Just as likely to be the fuse box under the bonnet.
rick the pick is your man for the BECM if needed, PM him or look up Callrova in Hove Sussex.
:welcome2: It would be a good idea to introduce yourself properly and add a rough location, there may be a LZ member nearby with diagnostics.
 
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Just as likely to be the fuse box under the bonnet.
rick the pick is your man for the BECM if needed, PM him or look up Callrover in Hove Sussex.
:welcome2: It would be a good idea to introduce yourself properly and add a rough location, there may be a LZ member nearby with diagnostics.
callrova :D:D
 
Firstly, our new website is up & running after our old one compleatly disappeared.

What is your website? I thought I best ask since you didn't included it, especially since I might need it one day :)

tnx

Nik

edit - just got caught out by an old thread reappearing. Damn. Hate it when that happens! :)
 
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