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dasloboq

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For the money I want to spend and approx 50,000 miles on the clock, I can get either a 2017 Autobiography pre-facelift (so the older infotainment system) or a post face-lift 2018 Vogue.

I'm leaning towards to the pre-facelift autobiography.

I've never owned a RR before - I currently drive a 10 year old BMW 5 series.

I'm only looking at the 3L Diesels - that's plenty enough performance and I don't think the lower fuel economy and tax make the 4.5L or 5L attractive to me.

Any thoughts/advice/recommendations?

Priority for all passengers is luxury all round. Apple car play would be a nice to have.

Thanks!
 
Welcome to the mad house. Whichever you choose, don't forget to allow at least £3K for fixing the inevitable faults and don't buy any Range Rover with an existing fault. Test every electronic and mechanical function including checking it will go into low range etc.
 
+1 on what Data says and check every electronic gizzmo thoroughly.

Welcome to the Looney zone by the way:)
 
kermit_rr said:
3L diesel, is that still the dodgy one? Or has it been replaced?
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The one that snaps cranks? Not sure but gstuart has posted a lot on those engines although not always in the Rangie section. I wouldn't risk it, not if I could have one with that Jag v8 in it. Unless you do serious milage the difference in mpg isn't that noticeable.
 
Mark Piercy said:
The 2.7 snapped them later in life and some of the 3.0 broke earlier. The vid @gstuart posted is pretty informative ;)
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Indeed all are affected from 2004 right up into the discovery 5 , including the Range Rover sports ref the 2.7 TDV6 and the 3.0 SDV6 engines

alas there doesn’t seem to be 100% proof of what causes it, even ones that have all there filters / oils changed every 6 x months , from a few as low as 5,000 miles all the way up and some happening where the engine failed twice to the same person after being replaced with a brand new genuine Land Rover engine, seen many figures of 10k + being quoted from dealers
 
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gstuart said:
Indeed all are affected from 2004 right up into the discovery 5 , including the Range Rover sports ref the 2.7 TDV6 and the 3.0 SDV6 engines

alas there doesn’t seem to be 100% proof of what causes it, even ones that have all there filters / oils changed every 6 x months , from a few as low as 5,000 miles all the way up and some happening where the engine failed twice to the same person after being replaced with a brand new genuine Land Rover engine, seen many figures of 10k + being quoted from dealers
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I understand it's caused by the main bearing shells rotating and cutting off the oil due to the anti rotation tag being omitted.
 
Datatek said:
I understand it's caused by the main bearing shells rotating and cutting off the oil due to the anti rotation tag being omitted.
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i also think failure have been seen where shells havent spun and no signs of discolouration to suggest overheating/seizing
 
Datatek said:
I understand it's caused by the main bearing shells rotating and cutting off the oil due to the anti rotation tag being omitted.
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hiya

must confess also read where the crank can just snap without the shells spinning , along with it snapping in the same place when they do
 
kermit_rr said:
i also think failure have been seen where shells havent spun and no signs of discolouration to suggest overheating/seizing
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Plus 1 as also heard that where the crank can just snap and when it does it’s in the same place each and every time
 
gstuart said:
Plus 1 as also heard that where the crank can just snap and when it does it’s in the same place each and every time
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perhaps the shells spin as a consequence of the crank snapping, causing further damage? rather than the outright cause?
 
@gstuart, the video you posted explains a lot of reasons why they can and do break. Heat treating, pulsed oil feed and the crank bearing combined surface total is only around 170mm compared to a 6cyl in line toyota engine that has 240mm (figures not exact from memory) too many reasons for modern engineering!! :eek:
 
Mark Piercy said:
@gstuart, the video you posted explains a lot of reasons why they can and do break. Heat treating, pulsed oil feed and the crank bearing combined surface total is only around 170mm compared to a 6cyl in line toyota engine that has 240mm (figures not exact from memory) too many reasons for modern engineering!! :eek:
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I think the reason is simple: they tried to make the engine has compact as possible and over-cooked it. In a light car without much stress it gets away with it but in a heavy car where the engine is working harder it starts to fail.
 
Grrrrrr said:
I think the reason is simple: they tried to make the engine has compact as possible and over-cooked it. In a light car without much stress it gets away with it but in a heavy car where the engine is working harder it starts to fail.
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and they over tuned it, i believe the engine is used with less power output in other cars without issues
 
Datatek said:
Maybe there are 2 problems but no anti rotation tags is IMO asking for trouble.
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Mark Piercy said:
@gstuart, the video you posted explains a lot of reasons why they can and do break. Heat treating, pulsed oil feed and the crank bearing combined surface total is only around 170mm compared to a 6cyl in line toyota engine that has 240mm (figures not exact from memory) too many reasons for modern engineering!! :eek:
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Grrrrrr said:
I think the reason is simple: they tried to make the engine has compact as possible and over-cooked it. In a light car without much stress it gets away with it but in a heavy car where the engine is working harder it starts to fail.
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many thks as always , alas I know u all have considerably more engine knowledge than myself , so indeed watching a video with very technical details in it will make a lot more sense than myself

plus 1 with regards to the NM output of the engine in comparison to the others , think the SDV6 is 600 NM

At least one saving grace is the oil pump issue is well documented as a failure point throughout multiple forums

thks again as always for sharing such fantastic knowledge as I do like to learn new things,

fingers crossed one day I’ll be able to move onto a petrol D3


CITROEN

  • CITROÈN C6 Saloon (Year of Construction 09.2005 - 12.2012, 204 - 241 PS, Diesel)
  • CITROËN C5 III Saloon (Year of Construction 02.2008 - ....., 204 - 241 PS, Diesel)

> CITROEN C5 III Estate (RW) (Year of Construction 02.2008 - ..., ., 204 - 241 PS, Diesel)


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  • LAND ROVER Range Rover Sport (L320) (Year of Construction 02.2005 - 03.2013, 190 -
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  • LAND ROVER Discovery IV (L319) Year of Construction 09.2009 - ..., 190 - 272 PS, Diesel)
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    PS, Diesel)

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Also the front of the crank is attached to the rest of the crank at the first front big end journal and theres not much metal attaching it,,,,SNAP :eek:
 
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