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Chris

Guest

• Aug 28, 2005

• #1

I've found the best wax that's clearly superior to all others... troll
troll... lol

Now, I'd like to find the best car wash solution. It seems that all
the ones I've tried leave a thin film on the surface when I'm done
washing the car (suppose they call that the 'wax' in the car wash).
Does anyone else have experience with gentle car wash solutions that
don't harm the wax but don't leave the crappy film? TIA

 

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Charles Bendig

Guest

• Aug 28, 2005

• #2

Chris wrote:
> I've found the best wax that's clearly superior to all others... troll
> troll... lol
>
> Now, I'd like to find the best car wash solution. It seems that all
> the ones I've tried leave a thin film on the surface when I'm done
> washing the car (suppose they call that the 'wax' in the car wash).
> Does anyone else have experience with gentle car wash solutions that
> don't harm the wax but don't leave the crappy film? TIA

Miquires, Mirrior Glaze, Final Inspection. Safe to use on paint with in
the first 48 hours.
Charles

 

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Lon

Guest

• Aug 28, 2005

• #3

Charles Bendig proclaimed:
> Chris wrote:
>
>> I've found the best wax that's clearly superior to all others... troll
>> troll... lol
>>
>> Now, I'd like to find the best car wash solution. It seems that all
>> the ones I've tried leave a thin film on the surface when I'm done
>> washing the car (suppose they call that the 'wax' in the car wash).
>> Does anyone else have experience with gentle car wash solutions that
>> don't harm the wax but don't leave the crappy film? TIA
>
>
> Miquires, Mirrior Glaze, Final Inspection. Safe to use on paint with
> in the first 48 hours.
> Charles

The best wash will vary with the water you use. If you distill a few
hundred gallons, you can pretty much use any wash. If your local
water reacts with the wash to form a scum, best bet is to ask locally.
You may be able to get by with an anti-coating rinse--jet dry or
similar if your local water is really hard.

 

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Lon

Guest

• Aug 29, 2005

• #4

John S. proclaimed:
> Chris wrote:
>
>>I've found the best wax that's clearly superior to all others... troll
>>troll... lol
>>
>>Now, I'd like to find the best car wash solution. It seems that all
>>the ones I've tried leave a thin film on the surface when I'm done
>>washing the car (suppose they call that the 'wax' in the car wash).
>>Does anyone else have experience with gentle car wash solutions that
>>don't harm the wax but don't leave the crappy film? TIA
>
>
> Wash with lukewarm tapwater + Palmolive dish soap.

Wrong. Possibly the worst car wash to use if you don't intend to
wax immediately. Car wash soap is designed *not* to remove wax.

> Rinse with garden hose sprayer

In some local water areas, pretty much guaranteed to leave water
spots.

> Dry with good cotton towels.

Better a chamois. Or artificial chamois.
>
> Any more than that and you are wasting money.

...but not removing all the wax or risking your car finish.

But at least you spelled your name right.

 

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Ted Mittelstaedt

Guest

• Aug 29, 2005

• #5

"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:46qdnav85_1E7o_eRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>
> > Dry with good cotton towels.
>
> Better a chamois. Or artificial chamois.
> >
> > Any more than that and you are wasting money.
>
> ...but not removing all the wax or risking your car finish.
>

If the car hasn't been washed or waxed in forever, then the wax is gone
already, and the dirt is so ground into the top layer of paint that your
going to go nuts with regular car wash soap, your probably going to have
to use dish soap.

Also I don't think that Palmolive and the like can remove the synthetic
polymer waxes, like the "once a year" NuFinish and such. If washing
and waxing once a year is your style, then your fine with dish soap and
towels. Of course, your finish will not be as good as the people who
use real wax and do it once every couple months, and use car wash soap.
And you will be very unhappy if your car has a black finish, that is for
sure.

Ted

 

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Corey Shuman

Guest

• Aug 29, 2005

• #6

I would recommend Gold Class car wash, I beleive its by Meguiars, as to
a polish... or something of that ilk, I would stick with 3m products..
the Perfect It line is great... with no waxes or silicates (to give
that spiderweb look) Id steer away from Final inspection, especially in
the first 48 hours (of painting I assume) there are waxes in FI that
you will be working into your paint. and if you just got your vehicle
painted and you its not shining up, you should probably get a refund or
a repaint...

 

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John S.

Guest

• Aug 29, 2005

• #7

Lon wrote:
> John S. proclaimed:
> > Chris wrote:
> >
> >>I've found the best wax that's clearly superior to all others... troll
> >>troll... lol
> >>
> >>Now, I'd like to find the best car wash solution. It seems that all
> >>the ones I've tried leave a thin film on the surface when I'm done
> >>washing the car (suppose they call that the 'wax' in the car wash).
> >>Does anyone else have experience with gentle car wash solutions that
> >>don't harm the wax but don't leave the crappy film? TIA
> >
> >
> > Wash with lukewarm tapwater + Palmolive dish soap.
>
> Wrong. Possibly the worst car wash to use if you don't intend to
> wax immediately. Car wash soap is designed *not* to remove wax.

Only if you want to spend money needlessly.

>
> > Rinse with garden hose sprayer
>
> In some local water areas, pretty much guaranteed to leave water
> spots.
>
> > Dry with good cotton towels.
>
> Better a chamois. Or artificial chamois.
> >
> > Any more than that and you are wasting money.
>
> ...but not removing all the wax or risking your car finish.
>
> But at least you spelled your name right.

You apparently have an unfilled desire to keep your local Pep Boys
store in business by sinking all this money in endless special washes,
rinses and waxes for your car. I understand how it can seem important
to have a car that is perpetually sparkly and gleaming with shiny
chrome. But isn't it a bit frustrating to take that spiffed up set of
wheels out for a drive only to have some dust or rain settle on that
perfect finish?

 

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Charles Bendig

Guest

• Aug 29, 2005

• #8

Corey Shuman wrote:
> I would recommend Gold Class car wash, I beleive its by Meguiars, as to
> a polish... or something of that ilk, I would stick with 3m products..
> the Perfect It line is great... with no waxes or silicates (to give
> that spiderweb look) Id steer away from Final inspection, especially in
> the first 48 hours (of painting I assume) there are waxes in FI that
> you will be working into your paint. and if you just got your vehicle
> painted and you its not shining up, you should probably get a refund or
> a repaint...
>

Final Inspection is what we used at the Body Shop I worked at. Not a
Production body shop, but a Restoration Shop. We also did custom paint
jobs for show cars.

The only cleaner we recommended and used on fresh paint was FI.What we
would ask customers is not to wash or wax the car for 1 month. If they
needed to clean the car, use FI.

FI is a cleaner that will not remove wax. It is intended for people to
use at car shows to remove debris that gets on the car before judging.
Charles

 

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Larry Bud

Guest

• Aug 29, 2005

• #9

> > Wrong. Possibly the worst car wash to use if you don't intend to
> > wax immediately. Car wash soap is designed *not* to remove wax.
>
> Only if you want to spend money needlessly.

He's right. You're doing more harm than good in using dishwashing
liquid for your regular car wash. You're spending more money in the
long run doing so.


> You apparently have an unfilled desire to keep your local Pep Boys
> store in business by sinking all this money in endless special washes,
> rinses and waxes for your car. I understand how it can seem important
> to have a car that is perpetually sparkly and gleaming with shiny
> chrome. But isn't it a bit frustrating to take that spiffed up set of
> wheels out for a drive only to have some dust or rain settle on that
> perfect finish?

Not at all, because our cars aren't stripped of all of that protective
wax that you washed off!

 

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N8N

Guest

• Aug 29, 2005

• #10

John S. wrote:
> Lon wrote:
> > John S. proclaimed:
> > > Chris wrote:
> > >
> > >>I've found the best wax that's clearly superior to all others... troll
> > >>troll... lol
> > >>
> > >>Now, I'd like to find the best car wash solution. It seems that all
> > >>the ones I've tried leave a thin film on the surface when I'm done
> > >>washing the car (suppose they call that the 'wax' in the car wash).
> > >>Does anyone else have experience with gentle car wash solutions that
> > >>don't harm the wax but don't leave the crappy film? TIA
> > >
> > >
> > > Wash with lukewarm tapwater + Palmolive dish soap.
> >
> > Wrong. Possibly the worst car wash to use if you don't intend to
> > wax immediately. Car wash soap is designed *not* to remove wax.
>
> Only if you want to spend money needlessly.

My time is important enough to me that I don't wax my car every time I
wash it.

>
> >
> > > Rinse with garden hose sprayer
> >
> > In some local water areas, pretty much guaranteed to leave water
> > spots.
> >
> > > Dry with good cotton towels.
> >
> > Better a chamois. Or artificial chamois.
> > >
> > > Any more than that and you are wasting money.
> >
> > ...but not removing all the wax or risking your car finish.
> >
> > But at least you spelled your name right.
>
> You apparently have an unfilled desire to keep your local Pep Boys
> store in business by sinking all this money in endless special washes,
> rinses and waxes for your car. I understand how it can seem important
> to have a car that is perpetually sparkly and gleaming with shiny
> chrome. But isn't it a bit frustrating to take that spiffed up set of
> wheels out for a drive only to have some dust or rain settle on that
> perfect finish?

If you wax a couple three times a year, it'll wash off OK. But not
with dish soap - as soon as you wash with dish soap, your paint is
exposed to the elements. As I said above, my time is worth enough that
I don't wax every time I wash.

nate

 

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Corey Shuman

Guest

• Aug 29, 2005

• #11

So would it be considered a wax? or some sort of chemical compound. Im
not an expert either way, Im just curious as to why you would use
anything with the exception of soft water to wash for the first month
or so. Do you cut and polish the cars before they go out? what do you
use to do that process?

 

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Charles Bendig

Guest

• Aug 30, 2005

• #12

Corey Shuman wrote:
> So would it be considered a wax? or some sort of chemical compound. Im
> not an expert either way, Im just curious as to why you would use
> anything with the exception of soft water to wash for the first month
> or so. Do you cut and polish the cars before they go out? what do you
> use to do that process?
>

Our Proceedure was: Apply color coat. Wet Sand (aka color sand) Then
Clear Coat. Wet sand Then using course to fine grits of cutting wax with
a Pnumatic Buffer, work the surface to a high shine. Then use a final wax.


Around the body shop we used FI if a car got dusty, or some other
debris on it after it came out of the paint booth before before buffing.

Why not use plain water to clean with? Water spots. FI will dry with
out any residue. It is a very mild cleaner.
Charles

 

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Corey Shuman

Guest

• Aug 30, 2005

• #13

Cool, thanks for the info, I may have to rethink and go get a bottle to
play with. I just wiped out the side of my truck and so I will have new
paint to play with soon!! Thanks for the info!!