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Avocet1

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OK, for reasons that don't really matter right now, I might have to go to Spain to rescue a TD4 with a clutch that's slipping so badly, the car won't move - even on level ground. :(

Questions:

1. Is this even feasible to do in a car park on axle stands?
2. Previous owner fitted a clutch in 2018, but it has only done about 20,000 miles since then. No indication what brand was used or whether the slave cylinder was changed, but at an invoice value of £608 including labour, even at 2018 prices, I suspect it was a cheap clutch and probably only the friction plate and cover?
3. Owner reports it having been slipping "for a while". Is the heat from a slipping clutch likely to have trashed the DMF? (165,000 miles).
4. Any other advice anyone can give, please? Presumably the IRD has to come out, and the IRD and gearbox have to be drained? What else has to come out to get the gearbox out? Presumably a generic clutch alignment tool is needed?

I've already suggested "gifting" it to some Spanish scrap man and just flying home, but apparently, that's not an option...
 
It is possible to do on the ground, in fact there are many mobile clutch specialists that will do this type of thing.

A lot needs to be removed to change the clutch, but it's very possible to do in a carpark for instance.

You just need to make sure you take enough tools to cover all situations, even those that aren't thought about before hand.
 
Thanks both.

Yes, I've been watching a couple of YouTube videos and they both seem to use them to great effect. Any recommendations? Also, one of those wee universal joints suitable for use with an impact wrench. They look useful!

Next question: Brand of parts? LUK and Sachs are brands I've heard of and seem to be about the same price. However, I've heard all kinds of horror stories around using anything non-genuine. Realistically, my dad (who is now 83) won't be driving much longer, and I have to keep at the back of my mind, the value of a 21 year old Freelander. It is reasonably sound, but if it can drag its sorry ass back to Blighty, the next hurdle will be its MOT. The rear subframe was a bit "crispy" in places, last time I saw the car, and I don't suppose it will have improved since...
 
Avocet1 said:
However, I've heard all kinds of horror stories around using anything non-genuine. Realistically, my dad (who is now 83) won't be driving much longer, and I have to keep at the back of my mind, the value of a 21 year old Freelander.
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LUK was the OE clutch supplier to LR. ;)
 
Don't forget a few long 'wobble' extensions.
The bolt that is hiding behind the IRD needs a few long extensions that work without being in total alignment to allow you to fit the ratchet or bar and get some grunt on it. Also, a rattle gun won't go in there either without the extensions.
 
andyfreelandy said:
Don't forget a few long 'wobble' extensions.
The bolt that is hiding behind the IRD needs a few long extensions that work without being in total alignment to allow you to fit the ratchet or bar and get some grunt on it. Also, a rattle gun won't go in there either without the extensions.
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Yes, I rebuilt the IRD on that car a couple of years ago, and there was one bolt at the top of it that was a real sod to get to! I noticed on the YouTube videos that one of the guys used a neat little universal joint on the end of an extension bar. I think I need to get one of those. When I did it, I was using a load of wobble bar extensions and an ordinary ratchet, rather than an impact gun.
 
Update: It's been towed to a local garage who have quoted just under €1500. The quote is very detailed - much of that is the use of genuine LR parts (clutch cover and friction plate, slave cylinder, release bearing guide, couple of oil seals, but NOT the DMF). Labour was only €400, which I think is pretty reasonable, but there's tax on that, of course. However, it's still more than the car is worth. In the end, they've "shaken hands" on just the cover and friction plate, and take a punt on everything else. It's only got to get them about 30 miles to the ferry next week. After that, if it all goes pear-shaped, at least it will be on British soil!

We looked at me buying the parts here and driving down there with tools, but realistically, that would have come to pretty much the same as the €930 anyway, so they're going to risk it.
 
Further update:

So much for €930! Bloody garage stripped the car and said the DMF was toast, so the final bill came to just over €2000! I can't believe they paid that...:(
 
Avocet1 said:
Further update:

So much for €930! Bloody garage stripped the car and said the DMF was toast, so the final bill came to just over €2000! I can't believe they paid that...:(
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If they were that close to the ferry why on earth didn't they just pay to have it transported to the ferry and off at the other end? then it could have been fixed by you or someone else at your leisure? this happens to enough broken down cars and I have even translated for peeps in this situation.
anyway, nice to see you posting again.
how are you and the missus?
Stan!
 
Stanleysteamer said:
If they were that close to the ferry why on earth didn't they just pay to have it transported to the ferry and off at the other end? then it could have been fixed by you or someone else at your leisure? this happens to enough broken down cars and I have even translated for peeps in this situation.
anyway, nice to see you posting again.
how are you and the missus?
Stan!
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Hi Stan, Thanks for dropping-by!

This was the Brittany Ferries Plytmouth-Santander route. They're only about 30 miles from the ferry and it was the first thing we suggested. However, several calls to their customer services department proved particularly unhelpful. When they set off on the trip, I looked at European breakdown cover, but the premiums for a 21 year old car were stupid - 3 or 4 hundred quid AND, in the smallprint, they said they'd only recover a vehicle either to a suitable workshop, its destination, OR up to the market value of the vehicle! (The latter being the killer in this case).

So initially, I asked the ferry company if they had a tug of some sort, so that if we got it recovered to the quayside, they could just tow it on to the boat push it off at the other end, and their GB recovery subscription would scoop the car up in Plymouth and get them home.

"Non".

Would they let another passenger tow the car on to the boat?

"Non".

They then referred me to a clause in their Ts & Cs which does clearly state that vehicles have to get on and off the boat under their own power. Worse than that, for a vehicle failing to get OFF the boat under its own power, they reserved the right to just return it to the port of embarkation AND charge the owner for another crossing!

The next thing, was your suggestion of getting it on there on the back of a tow truck, but the problem with that, is that it would have been a Spanish one, and would have needed its own ticket for a return crossing so it could get back (plus driver's wages, etc).

I looked at hiring a flat bed and going over there myself to bring it back. Also looked at getting the necessary parts and tools in my car and driving there to try and change it in the car park where the ca was stuck. However, none of these options were cheaper than the €930 they had originally been quoted by the garage for the "bodge job", of just throwing a new cover and friction plate in, so they could limp home and we could do it properly.

It was therefore with some surprise (and disappointment!), when I got the call from them, that I learned they'd actually paid just over €2k!!! Bloody expensive holiday, that was!

Oh, and to top it all, I spoke to them again last night and they'd bloody missed the ferry!!!

Parents, eh? Who'd have 'em?!
 
P.S. Sorry, yes, we're OK, thanks. She's decided to have the broken joint fused, because it just hurts too much, she'd rather lose some movement than put up with the pain for the rest of her life, so we're back on the lawyers and insurers merry-go-round to get the other side's insurers to pay for it!
 
Well that is all very interesting and not as helpful as i thought it would have been.
Thinking about it, it was with P&O that I helped people get a broken down car (bust timing belt) onto a ferry.
But if a car drives onto a ferry and then breaks down I am pretty sure they would be obliged to somehow get it off at the other end. But who knows? There'd come a point where it would cost the owner less to simply abandon it on the car deck of the ferry!
We have SAGA car insurance and their recovery as we go over for so long. They are the only company that will cover us for as long as we want to go. My car is 22 years old and the wife's is 18 years old. Recovery (RAC) is about £150 so very reasonable.
Funnily, originally their recovery only covered you for 90 days so I pointed out to them the stupidity of being able to go over there for 6 months but without cover for the period. Since then they changed it.
I have never looked at the small print.
When I had the accident in the Disco a few years ago they originally started talking about getting it fixed back in the UK. As the accident wasn't my fault, I then said "Well, ok, but in that case I will want the hire of a 4x4 as I need it for the rest of my time over here, about 3 months, plus it would have to be able to tow as I have a huge box trailer I will need to bring back, plus obviously the cost of the recovery back there. They soon changed their minds and allowed me to get it repaired with second hand parts.
But obviously this was an accident not a breakdown.
This year, for the first time, we bought a car trailer and trailed the wife's car over on it. No one batted an eyelid and it was much cheaper, on the ferry, just the cost of the trailer, on the autoroutes and obviously on fuel. Plus we could chat etc! Far safer for her after the episode where she drove off the road, asleep.
So if you had bought a trailer, gone and fetched it and then sold the trailer again, it would not have cost much more than simply driving there in a car. We looked around for secondhand trailers they are as rare as rocking horse poop, so we bought new. Which is how I know you could have done this. But whether you'd have lost as much or as little as a hire, meh, not sure. And the lead time on a new one is months. 2 1/2 months in our case (Brian James) and others were up to 6 months.
So maybe not such a good idea.
I am in a way glad to hear about the fusion your wife will be having, it ought to make things a bit easier in at least one way. As I think you might remember my wife has a "dropped foot" (left) and has had for some time. she wears a support when she wears shoes and although it is paralysed she somehow manages to use it around the house.
If your wife's is the left one, then she can drive an auto, if it's the right, in an auto, it could have the accelerator pedal swapped over to the left, as feet work from the outside to the middle. This I know cos a mate of mine lost his right lower leg in a farming accident.
But bearing in mind your job this is teaching granny how to suck eggs!
How is business, settled down yet?
We got 6 month visas this year. Pain in the bum but at least it brought back a bit of normality.
cheers
Stan
 
Stanleysteamer said:
Well that is all very interesting and not as helpful as i thought it would have been.
Thinking about it, it was with P&O that I helped people get a broken down car (bust timing belt) onto a ferry.
But if a car drives onto a ferry and then breaks down I am pretty sure they would be obliged to somehow get it off at the other end. But who knows? There'd come a point where it would cost the owner less to simply abandon it on the car deck of the ferry!
We have SAGA car insurance and their recovery as we go over for so long. They are the only company that will cover us for as long as we want to go. My car is 22 years old and the wife's is 18 years old. Recovery (RAC) is about £150 so very reasonable.
Funnily, originally their recovery only covered you for 90 days so I pointed out to them the stupidity of being able to go over there for 6 months but without cover for the period. Since then they changed it.
I have never looked at the small print.
When I had the accident in the Disco a few years ago they originally started talking about getting it fixed back in the UK. As the accident wasn't my fault, I then said "Well, ok, but in that case I will want the hire of a 4x4 as I need it for the rest of my time over here, about 3 months, plus it would have to be able to tow as I have a huge box trailer I will need to bring back, plus obviously the cost of the recovery back there. They soon changed their minds and allowed me to get it repaired with second hand parts.
But obviously this was an accident not a breakdown.
This year, for the first time, we bought a car trailer and trailed the wife's car over on it. No one batted an eyelid and it was much cheaper, on the ferry, just the cost of the trailer, on the autoroutes and obviously on fuel. Plus we could chat etc! Far safer for her after the episode where she drove off the road, asleep.
So if you had bought a trailer, gone and fetched it and then sold the trailer again, it would not have cost much more than simply driving there in a car. We looked around for secondhand trailers they are as rare as rocking horse poop, so we bought new. Which is how I know you could have done this. But whether you'd have lost as much or as little as a hire, meh, not sure. And the lead time on a new one is months. 2 1/2 months in our case (Brian James) and others were up to 6 months.
So maybe not such a good idea.
I am in a way glad to hear about the fusion your wife will be having, it ought to make things a bit easier in at least one way. As I think you might remember my wife has a "dropped foot" (left) and has had for some time. she wears a support when she wears shoes and although it is paralysed she somehow manages to use it around the house.
If your wife's is the left one, then she can drive an auto, if it's the right, in an auto, it could have the accelerator pedal swapped over to the left, as feet work from the outside to the middle. This I know cos a mate of mine lost his right lower leg in a farming accident.
But bearing in mind your job this is teaching granny how to suck eggs!
How is business, settled down yet?
We got 6 month visas this year. Pain in the bum but at least it brought back a bit of normality.
cheers
Stan
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Thanks ever so much for the thoughts. I'm amazed at the cost of your European breakdown cover though? I've just been on the RAC website and put in their car details for a month, on their "single trip cover" and the premium was £292 for the basic cover and £468 for the comprehensive? Saga don't seem to offer breakdown cover unless you're also insured with them?

I did wonder about a trailer, but a Freelander weighs about 1600kg and we'd have to tow it with the wife's Kodiaq, which has a towing limit of 2 tonnes. Not sure how much a car transporter trailer capable of carrying a Freelander would weight, but I expect we'd be getting damned close! (As an aside, we were towing my empty dropside trailer with it yesterday (which weighs about half a tonne) and the bloody Kodiaq was overheating on the motorway)!

I do remember your wife's foot! How is she? Please pass on my regards!

And yes, it's my wife's left foot. The Kodiaq is an auto (well, DSG). She likes it a lot - I must say, when it's not overheating, it's a nice drive. They're famous for water pump failures, and it's due a cam belt at the end of the month, so we're going to get the pump changed while everything is in bits.

Business is still not great, sadly. Still problems with vehicle supply, with all the franchises we deal with - Ford, VW and PSA. Currently have about 2000 unfulfilled orders! Can't really blame Brexit for the shortages (still microchips), but also CO2 regulations. Obviously, the sorts of vehicle we convert are quite "boxy" so they're high CO2 emitters. They're actually exempt from the CO2 regulations, but the base vehicle manufacturers are struggling to alter their systems so that they don't count the CO2 for the cars they sell to be converted to wheelchair access. What I CAN blame Brexit for, is the extra red tape though. The "British National Type Approval" can got kicked down the road a bit further, earlier in the year though. We now have until February 2024 before we HAVE to get it, but it is supposed to be optional from January NEXT year. I expect we'll grab it with both hands once it does become optional, because the time to process European approvals from Britain now, is crucifying us. We'll just have to hold (and subsequently maintain) two type approvals for each car - one for GB, one for the EU and Northern Ireland.

All sounds pretty bleak, but we're keeping our heads above water, and they're still paying me! It's the same for all our competitors, though.

Great to hear from you!
 
Avocet1 said:
Thanks ever so much for the thoughts. I'm amazed at the cost of your European breakdown cover though? I've just been on the RAC website and put in their car details for a month, on their "single trip cover" and the premium was £292 for the basic cover and £468 for the comprehensive? Saga don't seem to offer breakdown cover unless you're also insured with them?

I did wonder about a trailer, but a Freelander weighs about 1600kg and we'd have to tow it with the wife's Kodiaq, which has a towing limit of 2 tonnes. Not sure how much a car transporter trailer capable of carrying a Freelander would weight, but I expect we'd be getting damned close! (As an aside, we were towing my empty dropside trailer with it yesterday (which weighs about half a tonne) and the bloody Kodiaq was overheating on the motorway)!

I do remember your wife's foot! How is she? Please pass on my regards!

And yes, it's my wife's left foot. The Kodiaq is an auto (well, DSG). She likes it a lot - I must say, when it's not overheating, it's a nice drive. They're famous for water pump failures, and it's due a cam belt at the end of the month, so we're going to get the pump changed while everything is in bits.

Business is still not great, sadly. Still problems with vehicle supply, with all the franchises we deal with - Ford, VW and PSA. Currently have about 2000 unfulfilled orders! Can't really blame Brexit for the shortages (still microchips), but also CO2 regulations. Obviously, the sorts of vehicle we convert are quite "boxy" so they're high CO2 emitters. They're actually exempt from the CO2 regulations, but the base vehicle manufacturers are struggling to alter their systems so that they don't count the CO2 for the cars they sell to be converted to wheelchair access. What I CAN blame Brexit for, is the extra red tape though. The "British National Type Approval" can got kicked down the road a bit further, earlier in the year though. We now have until February 2024 before we HAVE to get it, but it is supposed to be optional from January NEXT year. I expect we'll grab it with both hands once it does become optional, because the time to process European approvals from Britain now, is crucifying us. We'll just have to hold (and subsequently maintain) two type approvals for each car - one for GB, one for the EU and Northern Ireland.

All sounds pretty bleak, but we're keeping our heads above water, and they're still paying me! It's the same for all our competitors, though.

Great to hear from you!
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Re the breakdown cover, sorry I should have made it clear, we are both insured through SAGA as it is so hard to find cover that will cover you for 180 days abroad. SAGA is so used to covering old farts who spend ages driving around the continong in their campervans that they have just simply got policies that allow you to go over there for as long as you want when you want and now the RAC cover follows this too. It is great but sadly only covers standard vehicles so I would have a job taking for instance one of our kit cars over for a similar period of time.
Re the trailers. My disco 2 is of course capable and rated to tow 3.5 tonnes. the trailer weighs about 630 kgs and can take up to 1970 kgs. So this is OK for the Pluriel which weighs 1177 kgs. So the same trailer could take the weight of the Freelander. So 1,6 tonnes plus 630 kgs = 2230kgs
according to this http://www.towingcapacity.co.uk/car-make-model/skoda/skoda-kodiaq/
You can tow 2.3 tonnes so this just falls inside it. Unless you have another model of Skoda.
I don't know how used to towing heavy rigs you are, but if you aren't it isn't for the faint hearted unless you have a tow vehicle that can easily handle it. I once had a load break loose in our big box trailer and slide to the back of it. The rig started snaking like a bastid and I was lucky to be able to get it back under control. It broke loose because a tie down point in the trailer gave way. Frightened the life out of me and the missus!
Anyway this is all academic now as your Ma and Da are presumably back in Blighty now! Thank God!
Sorry to hear that your working life has not got any easier yet. What a sh!tstorm all this cr@p has caused people like you trying to make an honest living providing a service to handicapped people. But glad to hear that you are at least still in business.
I'll pass your good wishes on to the wife and do give yours mine as well.
all the best
Stan:):):)
 
@avocet - Just a quick message saying hello again o/

... Not seen you in ages, what a kerfuffle you've been through with your parents in this thread, glad its sorted, that being said, I'm also glad it wasn't me footing that two-grand bill :eek: As for Brexit - dinnae get me started, other than to say our politicians really ****ed that up, what our country signed up for is the worst possible outcome, worse even than a no-deal Brexit, in that we've still got the immigrants, which were a significant factor in the decision of many Leave voters, similarly we still have the foreign boats fishing our waters another bone of contention with Leave campaigners, and we cannot get anything we want to or from the continent... I thought we won the war?
 
Stanleysteamer said:
Re the breakdown cover, sorry I should have made it clear, we are both insured through SAGA as it is so hard to find cover that will cover you for 180 days abroad. SAGA is so used to covering old farts who spend ages driving around the continong in their campervans that they have just simply got policies that allow you to go over there for as long as you want when you want and now the RAC cover follows this too. It is great but sadly only covers standard vehicles so I would have a job taking for instance one of our kit cars over for a similar period of time.
Re the trailers. My disco 2 is of course capable and rated to tow 3.5 tonnes. the trailer weighs about 630 kgs and can take up to 1970 kgs. So this is OK for the Pluriel which weighs 1177 kgs. So the same trailer could take the weight of the Freelander. So 1,6 tonnes plus 630 kgs = 2230kgs
according to this http://www.towingcapacity.co.uk/car-make-model/skoda/skoda-kodiaq/
You can tow 2.3 tonnes so this just falls inside it. Unless you have another model of Skoda.
I don't know how used to towing heavy rigs you are, but if you aren't it isn't for the faint hearted unless you have a tow vehicle that can easily handle it. I once had a load break loose in our big box trailer and slide to the back of it. The rig started snaking like a bastid and I was lucky to be able to get it back under control. It broke loose because a tie down point in the trailer gave way. Frightened the life out of me and the missus!
Anyway this is all academic now as your Ma and Da are presumably back in Blighty now! Thank God!
Sorry to hear that your working life has not got any easier yet. What a sh!tstorm all this cr@p has caused people like you trying to make an honest living providing a service to handicapped people. But glad to hear that you are at least still in business.
I'll pass your good wishes on to the wife and do give yours mine as well.
all the best
Stan:):):)
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Thanks Stan,

It wouldn't have been an option, in reality. The Kodiaq has a maximum towing weight of 2 tonnes - and given that the bloody thing was overheating towing my empty half-ton dropside trailer up Shap, I doubt it would have made it! (Long story, but Skoda are really cute with their "hidden extras" when it comes to towing)! However these days, it's just too easy to get caught for being overloaded. I'm told the French "Plod" can be really keen on that - even unhitching trailers to check nose weight?

Being into boats, I've towed a few awkward / bulky things in my time. Used to tow a 17 footer with my Scimitar - which was fine, but then we got a 22 footer - which was 8' 4" in the beam. Only weighed about 1.5 tons, but bloody hell did it like to snake! Ended up buying a long wheelbase Series III Landy to tow that bas^$%d with, and it even tried to snake that! Also, when we moved to Cumbria, the removal company wanted a ridiculous amount to move the contents of my (barely) single garage in Manchester, so I just thought I'd buy a trailer about the same size as the garage and put the garage contents in that. However, the Landy was gone by then, and I was in an Alfa 164 - which weighs less than 1.5 tons. Got about a mile from our house, hit 40 on a dual carriageway, and the whole thing started snaking really violently (like "daylight-under-alternate-pairs-of-wheels" badly! Browned my bags good and proper! Eventually slowed down enough to become stable again. VERY gingerly towed it home and cut 18" off the back of the trailer, then welded it up again, shifting the weight forward a bit - which made it much more docile.

So one way or another, I've had my fill of towing, really! I think I probably have towed a combination as heavy as the Freelander would have been, but wouldn't fancy it much over that distance, and to be honest, wouldn't really be able to rely on my dad to share the driving. As you say, it's academic now, anyway.

And NO! They're bloody NOT back in Blighty yet, because they went and missed the bloody ferry after all that! They're on it right now, as it happens - probably just past Bordeaux in the Bay of Biscay by now...
 
Jayridium said:
@avocet - Just a quick message saying hello again o/

... Not seen you in ages, what a kerfuffle you've been through with your parents in this thread, glad its sorted, that being said, I'm also glad it wasn't me footing that two-grand bill :eek: As for Brexit - dinnae get me started, other than to say our politicians really ****ed that up, what our country signed up for is the worst possible outcome, worse even than a no-deal Brexit, in that we've still got the immigrants, which were a significant factor in the decision of many Leave voters, similarly we still have the foreign boats fishing our waters another bone of contention with Leave campaigners, and we cannot get anything we want to or from the continent... I thought we won the war?
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Thanks Jay. Good to hear from you! As you've probably gathered, it's not my Freelander any more, so I'm not on here that much. And yes that was a pretty bad business. The car was originally my sister's (well, she got it second hand). It did them OK for a good while, but she and her husband aren't technical (or wealthy), and they skimped on maintenance quite badly. They were going to scrap it in 2019, but my wife's X-Trail had just been written off in a crash and I needed a tow car, so I told her I'd give it a home. I did a fair few jobs on it, and if I'm honest, found myself developing "feelings" for it! For all the lousy press the FL1 got, I thought that underneath, it was actually a better car than the X-Trail! Anyway, I ran it for a while and then when my wife was well enough to drive again, she got the Kodiaq, so I gave the Freelander to my dad (who, now in his 80s, was really struggling to get in and out of a low-slung saloon car. He'd been using a 1990s Citroen Xantia, which was an absolute dog - the Freelander was actually better than it! And it's been a good car for him for about a year. Maybe a bit too good, in fact, because he obviously felt brave enough to take it to Spain! One of the last jobs my sister paid to have done, was the clutch, but they'd already decided to get rid of it by then, so I'm pretty certain they only had a cheap no-name cover and friction plate put in.

The problem is that my dad has now become too attached to it as well. He really should have just scrapped it in Spain and we'd have found him something else. It's a shame. He was a mechanic for most of his life, but he's just not up to it now - and, I suspect, had been riding the clutch quite badly for a while before it failed.

Never mind. It's done now!

(And yeah, don't get me started on Brexit! I've resisted the temptation to go back on that board, but I'm sure the same old Brexit fanboys are still trying to convince themselves it's all going wonderfully)!:rolleyes:
 
Yep towing sure can be a trial. But you get used to it. Everything in our house in France, bar one double bed and the granite worktops in the kitchen, was transported over by us in the huge box trailer.
So three bedrooms, a very, very big (and heavy) dining room suite, two leather 3 seat sofas, a huge elm kitchen table, all of the white goods, american fridge freezer, two bathrooms, all kitchen and utility room units, a three metre by six metre garden shed, a wooden pergola, gas barbecue, tons of wood for decking, Stuff for outside. Etc etc.
In fact I have just worked out that we made 4 trips a year from 2008 until 2015 so 28 return trips, and since then, when I retired, usually just the one trip, so 7 return trips and this year 2 return trips. Only this year with the car trailer.
Only had the dreaded brown trouser incident once, when the load shifted. But if the nose weight is sufficient it's OK.
I have heard of the French plod being tricky but till now, never seen them. Maybe cos we never go anywhere near Calais.
I knew a couple of lads who used to tow a folkboat style thing from Liverpool to Lymington. A Contessa 26. They organised it so that the trailer had vacuum brakes. They told me that the trailer did all the braking, nearly. I loved sailing with them in it. Summer of '76 what fun!! They towed it with an old Land Rover. as I wasn't into them then I couldn't tell you what sort but I guess it must have been a series of some sort!.
Anyway glad to hear you survived the towing dodgy moment! and that your parents are at least on their way home.
all the Best
Stan.:):):)
 
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