Hi
My TD5 Defender is persuading me to swap out my basic fold up side steps to
a pair of Tombraider style steps (no real reason - just vanity I suspect).
I've been trawling the web for a few weeks - loads of plastic coated and
chequer plate varieties out there but who does the most robust set? I've
not been too impressed with plastic coating in the past. In my experience
it always lifts some where after a couple of years. Anyone got any
recommendations?
Thanks
Dennis

DB4 wrote:

> Hi
> My TD5 Defender is persuading me to swap out my basic fold up side steps to
> a pair of Tombraider style steps (no real reason - just vanity I suspect).
> I've been trawling the web for a few weeks - loads of plastic coated and
> chequer plate varieties out there but who does the most robust set? I've
> not been too impressed with plastic coating in the past. In my experience
> it always lifts some where after a couple of years. Anyone got any
> recommendations?
> Thanks
> Dennis

Don't bother. Save your money for something genuinely useful.

I'm 5'4" - steps are a way of Life!!!


On 11/10/06 20:52, in article
a6udnVon4uTp1rDYnZ2dnUVZ8qqdnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk, "Dougal"
<DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

> DB4 wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> My TD5 Defender is persuading me to swap out my basic fold up side steps to
>> a pair of Tombraider style steps (no real reason - just vanity I suspect).
>> I've been trawling the web for a few weeks - loads of plastic coated and
>> chequer plate varieties out there but who does the most robust set? I've
>> not been too impressed with plastic coating in the past. In my experience
>> it always lifts some where after a couple of years. Anyone got any
>> recommendations?
>> Thanks
>> Dennis
>
> Don't bother. Save your money for something genuinely useful.

DB4 <kubaton@tiscali.co.uk> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> I'm 5'4" - steps are a way of Life!!!

Forget the steps... you need airbag suspension ;-) Pimp my ride stylie

Lee D

<cough>

It doesn't *have* to be a pimp mobile to have air ;-)

--
Neil

On or around Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:51:41 +0100, "Neil Brownlee"
<n.brownlee@pccontrolNOSPAMsystems.com> enlightened us thusly:

><cough>
>
>It doesn't *have* to be a pimp mobile to have air ;-)

now, air sus which can be lowered would be dead cool on the LR minibus
hybrid project.

Spoke to the insurers - the gist is that I won't *really* know 'til I apply,
but provided it passes an engineer's inspection and has and MOT and stuff,
it should be OK.

whether I can get it covered as a Land Rover Station Wagon, I don't know
They may want to class it as a 4x4 transit.

The 110 is still around, not in use, and I should be able to buy it back
cheap.

This is starting to sound more likely to happen. Only real bummer is that I
can't (easily) build it on a 101 chassis, 'cos that would be the ultimate
device for winding up the "original is best" brigade in the 101 club



--
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"Where they make a desert they call it peace" Tacitus (c.55 - c.117)
Agricola, 30

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:48:57 +0100, Austin Shackles
<austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote:

>On or around Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:51:41 +0100, "Neil Brownlee"
><n.brownlee@pccontrolNOSPAMsystems.com> enlightened us thusly:
>
>><cough>
>>
>>It doesn't *have* to be a pimp mobile to have air ;-)
>
>now, air sus which can be lowered would be dead cool on the LR minibus
>hybrid project.
>
>Spoke to the insurers - the gist is that I won't *really* know 'til I apply,
>but provided it passes an engineer's inspection and has and MOT and stuff,
>it should be OK.
>
>whether I can get it covered as a Land Rover Station Wagon, I don't know
>They may want to class it as a 4x4 transit.

if you dont mess with the wheelbase/chassis i thought you could change
the LR body to whatever you liked and it was still a LR by name? (like
the guy on mud club who has the sierra body on a RR chassis which is
still legally a range rover! )

>This is starting to sound more likely to happen. Only real bummer is that I
>can't (easily) build it on a 101 chassis, 'cos that would be the ultimate
>device for winding up the "original is best" brigade in the 101 club

On or around Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:40:31 +0100, Tom Woods
<news@NOPSAMtomwoods.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>
>if you dont mess with the wheelbase/chassis i thought you could change
>the LR body to whatever you liked and it was still a LR by name? (like
>the guy on mud club who has the sierra body on a RR chassis which is
>still legally a range rover! )

Legally, yes. I'm talking about the insurance company, who, as we know, are
a law unto themselves.

I'm fairly sure it comes under the "radcially altered vehicle" rules.

-------------
"The vehicle must score eight or more points to retain the original
registration mark. If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or
modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used, an enhanced single
vehicle approval (ESVA), single vehicle approval (SVA) or motorcycle single
vehicle approval (MSVA) certificate will be required to register the
vehicle. A 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated."

The following values will be allocated to the major components used:

* chassis or body shell (body and chassis as one unit – monocoque ie
direct replacement from the manufacturer) (original or new) = 5 points
* suspension = 2 points
* axles = 2 points
* transmission = 2 points
* steering assembly = 2 points
* engine = 1 point

Where there is evidence that two vehicles have been welded together to form
one (ie 'cut and shut') a 'Q' mark will be allocated. ESVA, SVA or MSVA will
be required.
------------

and since it'll retain ALL of those bits from the LR, there's no problem
about identity.

It might of course count as a "rebuilt or kit car", in which case the same
applies, chassis and all major components are still from the LR.
--
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Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
face by frightening people in the street.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

"Austin Shackles" <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote in message

> The vehicle must score eight or more points to retain the original
registration mark.
....
> * chassis or body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque ie
> direct replacement from the manufacturer) (original or new) = 5
points
> * suspension = 2 points
> * axles = 2 points
> * transmission = 2 points
> * steering assembly = 2 points
> * engine = 1 point

An interesting point about their system is that you can make 8 points with
the suspension, axles, transmission and steering yet none of these have
identification numbers recorded on the V5. So you can retain an identity
without any numbered parts, at least that's how I read it. So it would
appear that you can buy a nice new galvanised chassis and bolt on a set of
these parts that have come off several donor vehicles of any age, so long as
they appear to be pre-1973, and thus 'retain' a tax exempt plate that you
bought attached to a pile of rust, or am I missing something?.

Greg

On or around Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:11:29 +0100, "Greg"
<news@SPAM123voyager2.nildram.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>"Austin Shackles" <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote in message
>
>> The vehicle must score eight or more points to retain the original
>registration mark.
>...
>> * chassis or body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque ie
>> direct replacement from the manufacturer) (original or new) = 5
>points
>> * suspension = 2 points
>> * axles = 2 points
>> * transmission = 2 points
>> * steering assembly = 2 points
>> * engine = 1 point
>
>An interesting point about their system is that you can make 8 points with
>the suspension, axles, transmission and steering yet none of these have
>identification numbers recorded on the V5. So you can retain an identity
>without any numbered parts, at least that's how I read it. So it would
>appear that you can buy a nice new galvanised chassis and bolt on a set of
>these parts that have come off several donor vehicles of any age, so long as
>they appear to be pre-1973, and thus 'retain' a tax exempt plate that you
>bought attached to a pile of rust, or am I missing something?.

I suspect this happens. You need proof that you had a chassis to start
with, I think, there's a bit about that in the regs. The chassis has to be
either original or a replacement:

"If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modified
chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used, an enhanced single vehicle
approval (ESVA), single vehicle approval (SVA) or motorcycle single vehicle
approval (MSVA) certificate will be required to register the vehicle. A 'Q'
prefix registration number will be allocated."

note the all-important "or" in there. I was thinking much what you
thought... I guess you can - they may want to see evidence that you actually
had the vehicle which you're "rebuilding"...


The rebuilt-or-kit-car bit says:

"In order to retain the original registration mark:

* cars and car-derived vans must use:

The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and
chassis as one unit - monocoque); or a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of
the same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer
or manufacturer (e.g. receipt).

And two other major components from the original vehicle – ie suspension
(front & back); steering assembly; axles (both); transmission or engine.

If a second-hand chassis or monocoque bodyshell is used, the vehicle must
pass a an enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA) or single vehicle approval
(SVA) test after which a "Q" prefix registration number will be allocated."

Both the case of "rebuilding" a tax-exempt motor and my proposed project I
think come into this category. What isn't clear is whether the project will
have to be re-registered. Since it started off as a 12-seat station wagon,
it's description isn't going to change. Except that the seating capacity
will be 9.



The implication in either case is that it won't need SVA. I really need to
find the appropriate bit of DVLA and ask...
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
In Touch: Get in touch with yourself by touching yourself.
If somebody is watching, stop touching yourself.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

"Austin Shackles" <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote in message

> I suspect this happens. You need proof that you had a chassis to start
> with, I think, there's a bit about that in the regs. The chassis has to
be
> either original or a replacement:

Thinking about it a bit further, if you do buy a pile of rust with a V5,
build up an identical vehicle on a new chassis from assorted parts, and
stamp the chassis number on yourself, what's to stop you just getting it
MOT'd and then taxed?. Is the MOT tester going to complain because as far as
he can see it's just had a replacement chassis?
Greg

Greg wrote:

|| "Austin Shackles" <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote in message
||
||| I suspect this happens. You need proof that you had a chassis to
||| start with, I think, there's a bit about that in the regs. The
||| chassis has to be either original or a replacement:
||
|| Thinking about it a bit further, if you do buy a pile of rust with a
|| V5, build up an identical vehicle on a new chassis from assorted
|| parts, and stamp the chassis number on yourself, what's to stop you
|| just getting it MOT'd and then taxed?. Is the MOT tester going to
|| complain because as far as he can see it's just had a replacement
|| chassis?
|| Greg

AIUI, as long as the chassis is to the original spec, there is no problem.
As long as you swap like-for-like, it doesn't get counted in the points
system. (A coil-sprung chassis would not be considered a genuine
replacement for a Series chassis, for example.) If you then added
reconditioned parts from other vehicles, that might cause a problem, but as
long as they were identical spec, who would ever know? After all, you
haven't gained anything except got a nice roadworthy vehicle instead of a
shed, and what's wrong with that? If you were deliberately altering a later
vehicle to get tax-exempt status, that would be different.

That's with an aftermarket chassis. ISTR that if you wanted a genuine one
from Land Rover, they would need to see the old one in pieces before they
would issue a new one.

--
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