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For info...

What this all actually means is that someone has proposed the creation
of a new newsgroup called: uk.rec.gps

If you'd like to follow the discussion, add 'uk.net.news.config'
(unnc) to your list of subscribed usenet groups. unnc is the place
where groups in the uk.* are created, deleted and argued over until
your head explodes. It's populated by a bitter and twisted bunch of
pedantic, personality-clashing petty little people who rarely see
daylight. Apart from me, obviously, they're all quite mad...


On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:38:07 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
<hyphen@hyphenologist.co.uk> wrote:

>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
>
>This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the following changes
>in the uk.* Usenet hierarchy:
>
> create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gps
>
>Newsgroup line:
>uk.rec.gps Discussion of the UK use of the Global Positioning System
>
>
> *** ALL DISCUSSION MUST TAKE PLACE IN UK.NET.NEWS.CONFIG ***
>
>This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
>Further procedural details are given below.
>
>RATIONALE: uk.rec.gps
>
>The Global Positioning System (GPS) is run by the US Department of
>Defense using about 24 satellites in polar orbit. GPS receivers which
>now cost as little a GBP100 in a mobile phone sized case, use signals
>from these satellites to give a position accurate to a few meters. The
>more expensive versions may be combined with a mobile phone, personal
>organizer, palmtop, laptop computer, and may include map, car or
>person navigation software.
>
>GPS receivers are used in many recreational activities, walking,
>sailing, climbing, cycling, Geocaching, etc where it is useful to know
>where you are, and which direction to travel, speed etc. etc. in the
>middle of a moor, lake, sea, city or even motorway. Also such
>recreations as rocketry for altitude verification, tracking etc.
>
>Google groups shows that in uk.* newsgroups there have been more than
>800 threads mentioning GPS in the past year.
>
>Geocaching is a relatively new recreation, where a cache of objects of
>little value are placed in a waterproof box at stated coordinates
>where others can find them by GPS. The new "Right to Roam"
>legislation together with improvement in accuracy and falling prices may
>well catalyze other GPS based recreations.
>
>It is expected that uk.rec.gps will have general GPS threads, in the
>same way as uk.food+drink.misc, and other uk.* groups will have
>threads specific to their own charters. As an example the "GPS
>versus map and compass" debate will continue on uk.rec.walking for the
>foreseeable future. It is hoped that it may become a repository for
>uk.* expertise on GPS.
>
>A thread subject "uk.rec.gps anybody" Raised 16 people in favour of
>this newsgroup, and many who wished to continue ???+gps threads on
>uk.???.???.
>
>The vast majority of GPS posts on uk.* are recreational, so
>positioning this group in the uk.rec hierarchy seems reasonable.
>The word "recreational" has however been omitted from the charter, so
>Professional and Scientific GPS posts will not be Off Topic.
>
>Various other ng names including satellite-nav have been suggested.
>Google groups lists only 40 uk.* threads mentioning satellite-nav in
>the past year, which indicates that British English usage is for GPS
>rather than satellite-nav. Also not all uses of GPS are
>navigational, for geocaching only a position is important.
>
>Various suggestions have been made about the effect uk.rec.gps would
>have on the uk.* hierarchy. I will have only one vote in any such
>developments, but I would prefer to see uk.rec.gps.garmin etc. but
>uk.rec.geocaching should anyone in the future see fit to raise such
>RFDs.
>
>There are various alt.* GPS groups with the usual alt.* USA bias and
>propagation problems, also sci.geo.satellite-nav for the scientific
>community. Also several national gps newsgroups. It is suggested
>that a uk newsgroup would be advantageous to discuss uk specific
>subjects, such as OS mapping, laws, regulations etc.
>
>The number of newsgroups this RFD should be crossposted to has caused
>problems because Control, understandably, objected to 29 group
>crossposting and insisted on only 6 newsgroups plus uk.net.news.announce,
>uk.net.news.config.
>
>I used google groups to count the number of threads mentioning GPG
>in the last year see below. I have chosen the six newsgroups with most
>threads mentioning GPS in the last year:
>uk.rec.cycling, 88 uk.rec.driving, 67
>uk.rec.motorcycles, 117 uk.rec.sailing, 102
>uk.rec.walking, 287 uk.telecom.mobile, 66
>
>This means that many uk.* newsgroups which have demonstrated an
>interest in GPS will not be officially informed of this RFD.
>These are:
>uk.sci.astronomy, 50 uk.business.agriculture, 23
>uk.radio.amateur, 32 uk.railway, 41
>uk.rec.audio.car, 16 uk.rec.boats.power, 4
>uk.rec.camping, 5 uk.rec.caravanning, 29
>uk.rec.cars.4x4, 6 uk.rec.cars.maintenance, 20
>uk.rec.cars.misc, 44 uk.rec.cars.modifications, 33
>uk.rec.climbing, 6 uk.rec.models.engineering, 2
>uk.rec.motorcaravans, 6 uk.rec.running, 18
>uk.rec.scuba, 27 uk.rec.waterways, 18
>uk.tech.rocketry, 8 uk.transport. 33
>
>Importantly, a response to the previous thread "uk.rec.gps anybody"
>asked that one of the uninformed ones uk.tech.rocketry (8 posts)
>be informed of the thread.
>
>CHARTER: uk.rec.gps
>
>This newsgroup is for the discussion of general aspects of the UK use
>of the US Department of Defense Global Positioning System, (GPS) and
>any improvements, or extensions. GPS discussions may also occur on
>other uk.* newsgroups where they may be On Topic.
>
>Advertising
>
>Advertising is forbidden, with these exceptions:
>
>Suppliers of goods and services relevant to GPS in the UK
>may post an invitation to visit their web site or request details.
>It should be of four lines or fewer and not posted more than once
>every 3 months. The subject line should begin "ADVERT: ",
>except for vacancy adverts, when it should begin "JOB: ".
>
>Advertisements of Geocaches are allowed,
>the Subject: field should be of the form
>"GEOCACHE: " <8 or 10 figure National Grid Reference of cache>
>Followed by a short description of its position etc.
>
>Binaries & Formatting
>
>Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are
>forbidden. Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which
>a pointer may be posted. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP)
>may be used where authentication is important and should be as
>short as possible.
>
>Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly
>formatted messages are prohibited. To see how to make some
>common newsreaders comply with this, read
><http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html>.
>
>Warning. Anyone posting contrary to this charter may be reported to
>their "postmaster" and/or Service Provider.
>
>END CHARTER
>
>PROCEDURE:
>
>This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of
>the process, any potential problems with the proposal should be raised
>and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 10
>days, starting from when this RFD is posted to uk.net.news.announce
>(i.e. until October 3rd) after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be
>posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.
>Alternatively, the proposal may proceed by the fast-track method. Please
>do not attempt to vote until this happens.
>
>This RFD attempts to comply fully with the "Guidelines for Group Creation
>within the UK Hierarchy" as published regularly in uk.net.news.announce.
>Please refer to this document if you have any questions about the process.
>
>DISTRIBUTION:
>
>This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
> uk.net.news.announce
> uk.net.news.config
> uk.rec.cycling
> uk.rec.driving
> uk.rec.motorcycles
> uk.rec.sailing
> uk.rec.walking
> uk.telecom.mobile
>
>Proponent:
> Dave Fawthrop <hyphen(at)hyphenologist.co.uk>
>
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Eh ?

takes all the fun out of getting lost.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:scs5l0p87ui9fovaavnuspcp99bst7c38p@4ax.com...
> For info...
>
> What this all actually means is that someone has proposed the creation
> of a new newsgroup called: uk.rec.gps
>
> If you'd like to follow the discussion, add 'uk.net.news.config'
> (unnc) to your list of subscribed usenet groups. unnc is the place
> where groups in the uk.* are created, deleted and argued over until
> your head explodes. It's populated by a bitter and twisted bunch of
> pedantic, personality-clashing petty little people who rarely see
> daylight. Apart from me, obviously, they're all quite mad...
>
>
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:38:07 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
> <hyphen@hyphenologist.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >
> > REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> >
> >This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the following changes
> >in the uk.* Usenet hierarchy:
> >
> > create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gps
> >
> >Newsgroup line:
> >uk.rec.gps Discussion of the UK use of the Global Positioning System
> >
> >
> > *** ALL DISCUSSION MUST TAKE PLACE IN UK.NET.NEWS.CONFIG ***
> >
> >This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
> >Further procedural details are given below.
> >
> >RATIONALE: uk.rec.gps
> >
> >The Global Positioning System (GPS) is run by the US Department of
> >Defense using about 24 satellites in polar orbit. GPS receivers which
> >now cost as little a GBP100 in a mobile phone sized case, use signals
> >from these satellites to give a position accurate to a few meters. The
> >more expensive versions may be combined with a mobile phone, personal
> >organizer, palmtop, laptop computer, and may include map, car or
> >person navigation software.
> >
> >GPS receivers are used in many recreational activities, walking,
> >sailing, climbing, cycling, Geocaching, etc where it is useful to know
> >where you are, and which direction to travel, speed etc. etc. in the
> >middle of a moor, lake, sea, city or even motorway. Also such
> >recreations as rocketry for altitude verification, tracking etc.
> >
> >Google groups shows that in uk.* newsgroups there have been more than
> >800 threads mentioning GPS in the past year.
> >
> >Geocaching is a relatively new recreation, where a cache of objects of
> >little value are placed in a waterproof box at stated coordinates
> >where others can find them by GPS. The new "Right to Roam"
> >legislation together with improvement in accuracy and falling prices may
> >well catalyze other GPS based recreations.
> >
> >It is expected that uk.rec.gps will have general GPS threads, in the
> >same way as uk.food+drink.misc, and other uk.* groups will have
> >threads specific to their own charters. As an example the "GPS
> >versus map and compass" debate will continue on uk.rec.walking for the
> >foreseeable future. It is hoped that it may become a repository for
> >uk.* expertise on GPS.
> >
> >A thread subject "uk.rec.gps anybody" Raised 16 people in favour of
> >this newsgroup, and many who wished to continue ???+gps threads on
> >uk.???.???.
> >
> >The vast majority of GPS posts on uk.* are recreational, so
> >positioning this group in the uk.rec hierarchy seems reasonable.
> >The word "recreational" has however been omitted from the charter, so
> >Professional and Scientific GPS posts will not be Off Topic.
> >
> >Various other ng names including satellite-nav have been suggested.
> >Google groups lists only 40 uk.* threads mentioning satellite-nav in
> >the past year, which indicates that British English usage is for GPS
> >rather than satellite-nav. Also not all uses of GPS are
> >navigational, for geocaching only a position is important.
> >
> >Various suggestions have been made about the effect uk.rec.gps would
> >have on the uk.* hierarchy. I will have only one vote in any such
> >developments, but I would prefer to see uk.rec.gps.garmin etc. but
> >uk.rec.geocaching should anyone in the future see fit to raise such
> >RFDs.
> >
> >There are various alt.* GPS groups with the usual alt.* USA bias and
> >propagation problems, also sci.geo.satellite-nav for the scientific
> >community. Also several national gps newsgroups. It is suggested
> >that a uk newsgroup would be advantageous to discuss uk specific
> >subjects, such as OS mapping, laws, regulations etc.
> >
> >The number of newsgroups this RFD should be crossposted to has caused
> >problems because Control, understandably, objected to 29 group
> >crossposting and insisted on only 6 newsgroups plus uk.net.news.announce,
> >uk.net.news.config.
> >
> >I used google groups to count the number of threads mentioning GPG
> >in the last year see below. I have chosen the six newsgroups with most
> >threads mentioning GPS in the last year:
> >uk.rec.cycling, 88 uk.rec.driving, 67
> >uk.rec.motorcycles, 117 uk.rec.sailing, 102
> >uk.rec.walking, 287 uk.telecom.mobile, 66
> >
> >This means that many uk.* newsgroups which have demonstrated an
> >interest in GPS will not be officially informed of this RFD.
> >These are:
> >uk.sci.astronomy, 50 uk.business.agriculture, 23
> >uk.radio.amateur, 32 uk.railway, 41
> >uk.rec.audio.car, 16 uk.rec.boats.power, 4
> >uk.rec.camping, 5 uk.rec.caravanning, 29
> >uk.rec.cars.4x4, 6 uk.rec.cars.maintenance, 20
> >uk.rec.cars.misc, 44 uk.rec.cars.modifications, 33
> >uk.rec.climbing, 6 uk.rec.models.engineering, 2
> >uk.rec.motorcaravans, 6 uk.rec.running, 18
> >uk.rec.scuba, 27 uk.rec.waterways, 18
> >uk.tech.rocketry, 8 uk.transport. 33
> >
> >Importantly, a response to the previous thread "uk.rec.gps anybody"
> >asked that one of the uninformed ones uk.tech.rocketry (8 posts)
> >be informed of the thread.
> >
> >CHARTER: uk.rec.gps
> >
> >This newsgroup is for the discussion of general aspects of the UK use
> >of the US Department of Defense Global Positioning System, (GPS) and
> >any improvements, or extensions. GPS discussions may also occur on
> >other uk.* newsgroups where they may be On Topic.
> >
> >Advertising
> >
> >Advertising is forbidden, with these exceptions:
> >
> >Suppliers of goods and services relevant to GPS in the UK
> >may post an invitation to visit their web site or request details.
> >It should be of four lines or fewer and not posted more than once
> >every 3 months. The subject line should begin "ADVERT: ",
> >except for vacancy adverts, when it should begin " JOB.
> >
> >Advertisements of Geocaches are allowed,
> >the Subject: field should be of the form
> >"GEOCACHE: " <8 or 10 figure National Grid Reference of cache>
> >Followed by a short description of its position etc.
> >
> >Binaries & Formatting
> >
> >Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are
> >forbidden. Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which
> >a pointer may be posted. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP)
> >may be used where authentication is important and should be as
> >short as possible.
> >
> >Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly
> >formatted messages are prohibited. To see how to make some
> >common newsreaders comply with this, read
> ><http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html>.
> >
> >Warning. Anyone posting contrary to this charter may be reported to
> >their "postmaster" and/or Service Provider.
> >
> >END CHARTER
> >
> >PROCEDURE:
> >
> >This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of
> >the process, any potential problems with the proposal should be raised
> >and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 10
> >days, starting from when this RFD is posted to uk.net.news.announce
> >(i.e. until October 3rd) after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be
> >posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.
> >Alternatively, the proposal may proceed by the fast-track method. Please
> >do not attempt to vote until this happens.
> >
> >This RFD attempts to comply fully with the "Guidelines for Group Creation
> >within the UK Hierarchy" as published regularly in uk.net.news.announce.
> >Please refer to this document if you have any questions about the

process.
> >
> >DISTRIBUTION:
> >
> >This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
> > uk.net.news.announce
> > uk.net.news.config
> > uk.rec.cycling
> > uk.rec.driving
> > uk.rec.motorcycles
> > uk.rec.sailing
> > uk.rec.walking
> > uk.telecom.mobile
> >
> >Proponent:
> > Dave Fawthrop <hyphen(at)hyphenologist.co.uk>
> >
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>



 
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:53:09 +0100, "Larry" <NDA@larry-arnold.com>
wrote:

>takes all the fun out of getting lost.


I used to think that no GPS could ever demand you pull over then
scream "You read the f*cking map then"... However some of the little
buggers can talk to you now*, so...

Don't matter mind, as I can still get lost with a GPS...

(*really must look at reproging a voice chip or offering different
voices, like ringtones. The idea of Kylie telling me to speed up,
slow down, left a bit, right a bit...)


--
Some Land Roveresque (101 biased), links available
from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/
I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward
my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net


Reading this in 'alt.fan.landrover'? Did you know
there's a group FAQ: http://www.aflfaq.dyndns.info
 
Mother" <"@ {mother} @ wrote:

> The idea of Kylie telling me to speed up,
> slow down, left a bit, right a bit...)


"Make a legal U-turn..."

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

--

Rich

Series 2a
RR 4.6
V8 trialler
dog, wife, kids, whatever


 
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:13:33 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
made me spill my meths when he wrote:

>(*really must look at reproging a voice chip or offering different
>voices, like ringtones. The idea of Kylie telling me to speed up,
>slow down, left a bit, right a bit...)


"you've just passed a No Entry..."


Twice.



--
Wayne Davies - Mobile 07989 556213 - Harrogate, N.Yorks, UK
 
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:38:41 GMT, wayne@lardrover.co.uk wrote:

>>(*really must look at reproging a voice chip or offering different
>>voices, like ringtones. The idea of Kylie telling me to speed up,
>>slow down, left a bit, right a bit...)

>
>"you've just passed a No Entry..."


Flood?

 

"Mother" wrote...
> For info...
>
> What this all actually means is that someone has proposed the creation
> of a new newsgroup called: uk.rec.gps
>


That will be interesting, all the off-road 4x4 folks talking to the
walkers/ramblers. Should make for interesting discussions! :)

--
Regards
Bob
In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London


 

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