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What this all actually means is that someone has proposed the creation
of a new newsgroup called: uk.rec.gps
If you'd like to follow the discussion, add 'uk.net.news.config'
(unnc) to your list of subscribed usenet groups. unnc is the place
where groups in the uk.* are created, deleted and argued over until
your head explodes. It's populated by a bitter and twisted bunch of
pedantic, personality-clashing petty little people who rarely see
daylight. Apart from me, obviously, they're all quite mad...
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:38:07 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
<hyphen@hyphenologist.co.uk> wrote:
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>
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
>
>This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the following changes
>in the uk.* Usenet hierarchy:
>
> create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gps
>
>Newsgroup line:
>uk.rec.gps Discussion of the UK use of the Global Positioning System
>
>
> *** ALL DISCUSSION MUST TAKE PLACE IN UK.NET.NEWS.CONFIG ***
>
>This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
>Further procedural details are given below.
>
>RATIONALE: uk.rec.gps
>
>The Global Positioning System (GPS) is run by the US Department of
>Defense using about 24 satellites in polar orbit. GPS receivers which
>now cost as little a GBP100 in a mobile phone sized case, use signals
>from these satellites to give a position accurate to a few meters. The
>more expensive versions may be combined with a mobile phone, personal
>organizer, palmtop, laptop computer, and may include map, car or
>person navigation software.
>
>GPS receivers are used in many recreational activities, walking,
>sailing, climbing, cycling, Geocaching, etc where it is useful to know
>where you are, and which direction to travel, speed etc. etc. in the
>middle of a moor, lake, sea, city or even motorway. Also such
>recreations as rocketry for altitude verification, tracking etc.
>
>Google groups shows that in uk.* newsgroups there have been more than
>800 threads mentioning GPS in the past year.
>
>Geocaching is a relatively new recreation, where a cache of objects of
>little value are placed in a waterproof box at stated coordinates
>where others can find them by GPS. The new "Right to Roam"
>legislation together with improvement in accuracy and falling prices may
>well catalyze other GPS based recreations.
>
>It is expected that uk.rec.gps will have general GPS threads, in the
>same way as uk.food+drink.misc, and other uk.* groups will have
>threads specific to their own charters. As an example the "GPS
>versus map and compass" debate will continue on uk.rec.walking for the
>foreseeable future. It is hoped that it may become a repository for
>uk.* expertise on GPS.
>
>A thread subject "uk.rec.gps anybody" Raised 16 people in favour of
>this newsgroup, and many who wished to continue ???+gps threads on
>uk.???.???.
>
>The vast majority of GPS posts on uk.* are recreational, so
>positioning this group in the uk.rec hierarchy seems reasonable.
>The word "recreational" has however been omitted from the charter, so
>Professional and Scientific GPS posts will not be Off Topic.
>
>Various other ng names including satellite-nav have been suggested.
>Google groups lists only 40 uk.* threads mentioning satellite-nav in
>the past year, which indicates that British English usage is for GPS
>rather than satellite-nav. Also not all uses of GPS are
>navigational, for geocaching only a position is important.
>
>Various suggestions have been made about the effect uk.rec.gps would
>have on the uk.* hierarchy. I will have only one vote in any such
>developments, but I would prefer to see uk.rec.gps.garmin etc. but
>uk.rec.geocaching should anyone in the future see fit to raise such
>RFDs.
>
>There are various alt.* GPS groups with the usual alt.* USA bias and
>propagation problems, also sci.geo.satellite-nav for the scientific
>community. Also several national gps newsgroups. It is suggested
>that a uk newsgroup would be advantageous to discuss uk specific
>subjects, such as OS mapping, laws, regulations etc.
>
>The number of newsgroups this RFD should be crossposted to has caused
>problems because Control, understandably, objected to 29 group
>crossposting and insisted on only 6 newsgroups plus uk.net.news.announce,
>uk.net.news.config.
>
>I used google groups to count the number of threads mentioning GPG
>in the last year see below. I have chosen the six newsgroups with most
>threads mentioning GPS in the last year:
>uk.rec.cycling, 88 uk.rec.driving, 67
>uk.rec.motorcycles, 117 uk.rec.sailing, 102
>uk.rec.walking, 287 uk.telecom.mobile, 66
>
>This means that many uk.* newsgroups which have demonstrated an
>interest in GPS will not be officially informed of this RFD.
>These are:
>uk.sci.astronomy, 50 uk.business.agriculture, 23
>uk.radio.amateur, 32 uk.railway, 41
>uk.rec.audio.car, 16 uk.rec.boats.power, 4
>uk.rec.camping, 5 uk.rec.caravanning, 29
>uk.rec.cars.4x4, 6 uk.rec.cars.maintenance, 20
>uk.rec.cars.misc, 44 uk.rec.cars.modifications, 33
>uk.rec.climbing, 6 uk.rec.models.engineering, 2
>uk.rec.motorcaravans, 6 uk.rec.running, 18
>uk.rec.scuba, 27 uk.rec.waterways, 18
>uk.tech.rocketry, 8 uk.transport. 33
>
>Importantly, a response to the previous thread "uk.rec.gps anybody"
>asked that one of the uninformed ones uk.tech.rocketry (8 posts)
>be informed of the thread.
>
>CHARTER: uk.rec.gps
>
>This newsgroup is for the discussion of general aspects of the UK use
>of the US Department of Defense Global Positioning System, (GPS) and
>any improvements, or extensions. GPS discussions may also occur on
>other uk.* newsgroups where they may be On Topic.
>
>Advertising
>
>Advertising is forbidden, with these exceptions:
>
>Suppliers of goods and services relevant to GPS in the UK
>may post an invitation to visit their web site or request details.
>It should be of four lines or fewer and not posted more than once
>every 3 months. The subject line should begin "ADVERT: ",
>except for vacancy adverts, when it should begin "JOB: ".
>
>Advertisements of Geocaches are allowed,
>the Subject: field should be of the form
>"GEOCACHE: " <8 or 10 figure National Grid Reference of cache>
>Followed by a short description of its position etc.
>
>Binaries & Formatting
>
>Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are
>forbidden. Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which
>a pointer may be posted. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP)
>may be used where authentication is important and should be as
>short as possible.
>
>Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly
>formatted messages are prohibited. To see how to make some
>common newsreaders comply with this, read
><http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html>.
>
>Warning. Anyone posting contrary to this charter may be reported to
>their "postmaster" and/or Service Provider.
>
>END CHARTER
>
>PROCEDURE:
>
>This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of
>the process, any potential problems with the proposal should be raised
>and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 10
>days, starting from when this RFD is posted to uk.net.news.announce
>(i.e. until October 3rd) after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be
>posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.
>Alternatively, the proposal may proceed by the fast-track method. Please
>do not attempt to vote until this happens.
>
>This RFD attempts to comply fully with the "Guidelines for Group Creation
>within the UK Hierarchy" as published regularly in uk.net.news.announce.
>Please refer to this document if you have any questions about the process.
>
>DISTRIBUTION:
>
>This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
> uk.net.news.announce
> uk.net.news.config
> uk.rec.cycling
> uk.rec.driving
> uk.rec.motorcycles
> uk.rec.sailing
> uk.rec.walking
> uk.telecom.mobile
>
>Proponent:
> Dave Fawthrop <hyphen(at)hyphenologist.co.uk>
>
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What this all actually means is that someone has proposed the creation
of a new newsgroup called: uk.rec.gps
If you'd like to follow the discussion, add 'uk.net.news.config'
(unnc) to your list of subscribed usenet groups. unnc is the place
where groups in the uk.* are created, deleted and argued over until
your head explodes. It's populated by a bitter and twisted bunch of
pedantic, personality-clashing petty little people who rarely see
daylight. Apart from me, obviously, they're all quite mad...
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:38:07 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
<hyphen@hyphenologist.co.uk> wrote:
>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
>
>This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the following changes
>in the uk.* Usenet hierarchy:
>
> create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gps
>
>Newsgroup line:
>uk.rec.gps Discussion of the UK use of the Global Positioning System
>
>
> *** ALL DISCUSSION MUST TAKE PLACE IN UK.NET.NEWS.CONFIG ***
>
>This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
>Further procedural details are given below.
>
>RATIONALE: uk.rec.gps
>
>The Global Positioning System (GPS) is run by the US Department of
>Defense using about 24 satellites in polar orbit. GPS receivers which
>now cost as little a GBP100 in a mobile phone sized case, use signals
>from these satellites to give a position accurate to a few meters. The
>more expensive versions may be combined with a mobile phone, personal
>organizer, palmtop, laptop computer, and may include map, car or
>person navigation software.
>
>GPS receivers are used in many recreational activities, walking,
>sailing, climbing, cycling, Geocaching, etc where it is useful to know
>where you are, and which direction to travel, speed etc. etc. in the
>middle of a moor, lake, sea, city or even motorway. Also such
>recreations as rocketry for altitude verification, tracking etc.
>
>Google groups shows that in uk.* newsgroups there have been more than
>800 threads mentioning GPS in the past year.
>
>Geocaching is a relatively new recreation, where a cache of objects of
>little value are placed in a waterproof box at stated coordinates
>where others can find them by GPS. The new "Right to Roam"
>legislation together with improvement in accuracy and falling prices may
>well catalyze other GPS based recreations.
>
>It is expected that uk.rec.gps will have general GPS threads, in the
>same way as uk.food+drink.misc, and other uk.* groups will have
>threads specific to their own charters. As an example the "GPS
>versus map and compass" debate will continue on uk.rec.walking for the
>foreseeable future. It is hoped that it may become a repository for
>uk.* expertise on GPS.
>
>A thread subject "uk.rec.gps anybody" Raised 16 people in favour of
>this newsgroup, and many who wished to continue ???+gps threads on
>uk.???.???.
>
>The vast majority of GPS posts on uk.* are recreational, so
>positioning this group in the uk.rec hierarchy seems reasonable.
>The word "recreational" has however been omitted from the charter, so
>Professional and Scientific GPS posts will not be Off Topic.
>
>Various other ng names including satellite-nav have been suggested.
>Google groups lists only 40 uk.* threads mentioning satellite-nav in
>the past year, which indicates that British English usage is for GPS
>rather than satellite-nav. Also not all uses of GPS are
>navigational, for geocaching only a position is important.
>
>Various suggestions have been made about the effect uk.rec.gps would
>have on the uk.* hierarchy. I will have only one vote in any such
>developments, but I would prefer to see uk.rec.gps.garmin etc. but
>uk.rec.geocaching should anyone in the future see fit to raise such
>RFDs.
>
>There are various alt.* GPS groups with the usual alt.* USA bias and
>propagation problems, also sci.geo.satellite-nav for the scientific
>community. Also several national gps newsgroups. It is suggested
>that a uk newsgroup would be advantageous to discuss uk specific
>subjects, such as OS mapping, laws, regulations etc.
>
>The number of newsgroups this RFD should be crossposted to has caused
>problems because Control, understandably, objected to 29 group
>crossposting and insisted on only 6 newsgroups plus uk.net.news.announce,
>uk.net.news.config.
>
>I used google groups to count the number of threads mentioning GPG
>in the last year see below. I have chosen the six newsgroups with most
>threads mentioning GPS in the last year:
>uk.rec.cycling, 88 uk.rec.driving, 67
>uk.rec.motorcycles, 117 uk.rec.sailing, 102
>uk.rec.walking, 287 uk.telecom.mobile, 66
>
>This means that many uk.* newsgroups which have demonstrated an
>interest in GPS will not be officially informed of this RFD.
>These are:
>uk.sci.astronomy, 50 uk.business.agriculture, 23
>uk.radio.amateur, 32 uk.railway, 41
>uk.rec.audio.car, 16 uk.rec.boats.power, 4
>uk.rec.camping, 5 uk.rec.caravanning, 29
>uk.rec.cars.4x4, 6 uk.rec.cars.maintenance, 20
>uk.rec.cars.misc, 44 uk.rec.cars.modifications, 33
>uk.rec.climbing, 6 uk.rec.models.engineering, 2
>uk.rec.motorcaravans, 6 uk.rec.running, 18
>uk.rec.scuba, 27 uk.rec.waterways, 18
>uk.tech.rocketry, 8 uk.transport. 33
>
>Importantly, a response to the previous thread "uk.rec.gps anybody"
>asked that one of the uninformed ones uk.tech.rocketry (8 posts)
>be informed of the thread.
>
>CHARTER: uk.rec.gps
>
>This newsgroup is for the discussion of general aspects of the UK use
>of the US Department of Defense Global Positioning System, (GPS) and
>any improvements, or extensions. GPS discussions may also occur on
>other uk.* newsgroups where they may be On Topic.
>
>Advertising
>
>Advertising is forbidden, with these exceptions:
>
>Suppliers of goods and services relevant to GPS in the UK
>may post an invitation to visit their web site or request details.
>It should be of four lines or fewer and not posted more than once
>every 3 months. The subject line should begin "ADVERT: ",
>except for vacancy adverts, when it should begin "JOB: ".
>
>Advertisements of Geocaches are allowed,
>the Subject: field should be of the form
>"GEOCACHE: " <8 or 10 figure National Grid Reference of cache>
>Followed by a short description of its position etc.
>
>Binaries & Formatting
>
>Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are
>forbidden. Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which
>a pointer may be posted. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP)
>may be used where authentication is important and should be as
>short as possible.
>
>Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly
>formatted messages are prohibited. To see how to make some
>common newsreaders comply with this, read
><http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html>.
>
>Warning. Anyone posting contrary to this charter may be reported to
>their "postmaster" and/or Service Provider.
>
>END CHARTER
>
>PROCEDURE:
>
>This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of
>the process, any potential problems with the proposal should be raised
>and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 10
>days, starting from when this RFD is posted to uk.net.news.announce
>(i.e. until October 3rd) after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be
>posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.
>Alternatively, the proposal may proceed by the fast-track method. Please
>do not attempt to vote until this happens.
>
>This RFD attempts to comply fully with the "Guidelines for Group Creation
>within the UK Hierarchy" as published regularly in uk.net.news.announce.
>Please refer to this document if you have any questions about the process.
>
>DISTRIBUTION:
>
>This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
> uk.net.news.announce
> uk.net.news.config
> uk.rec.cycling
> uk.rec.driving
> uk.rec.motorcycles
> uk.rec.sailing
> uk.rec.walking
> uk.telecom.mobile
>
>Proponent:
> Dave Fawthrop <hyphen(at)hyphenologist.co.uk>
>
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