Clocks!

Don't forget! 1 hour back

Lucky me isn't on the night shift :0)

Though it's always a never ending source of entertaiment taking the
mick out of the Early shift when the unsuspecting turn up and hour
early.

Lee D
--
"I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters."
- Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)

www.lrproject.com
'76 101 Camper
'64 88" IIa V8 Auto
'97 Disco ES Auto LPG'd
'01 Laguna

Same in the US. Seems that we really might be "Englishmen gone wrong"
as Alistar Cooke once said (In jest, I believe).

Arden
Portland Oregon USA
'93 Range Rover County LWB (Vogue LSE)


On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 01:14:34 +0100, Lee_D
<leeNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote:

>Clocks!
>
>Don't forget! 1 hour back
>
>Lucky me isn't on the night shift :0)
>
>Though it's always a never ending source of entertaiment taking the
>mick out of the Early shift when the unsuspecting turn up and hour
>early.
>
>Lee D

"Arden" <arden66@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mq88m11dqqu14t3g64glh322lljs8cce5n@4ax.com...
>
> Same in the US. Seems that we really might be "Englishmen gone wrong"
> as Alistar Cooke once said (In jest, I believe).

'Bout time we ditched all this tedious screwing around with clocks and left
everything on BST all year round. What's the point in putting the clocks
back an hour and making it dark both when you go out and come home, it's
been proven that there are more accidents in the evenings after the clocks
go back so why do it?
Badger.

Here in Australia we're going forward one hour - summer is on the way!

"Lee_D" <leeNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote in message
news:qs38m1p97l3ruhs2f04anbg6has3mvucen@4ax.com...
> Clocks!
>
> Don't forget! 1 hour back
>
> Lucky me isn't on the night shift :0)
>
> Though it's always a never ending source of entertaiment taking the
> mick out of the Early shift when the unsuspecting turn up and hour
> early.
>
> Lee D
> --
> "I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools.
> Let's start with typewriters."
> - Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)
>
> www.lrproject.com
> '76 101 Camper
> '64 88" IIa V8 Auto
> '97 Disco ES Auto LPG'd
> '01 Laguna

Badger wrote:

> "Arden" <arden66@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:mq88m11dqqu14t3g64glh322lljs8cce5n@4ax.com...
>
>>Same in the US. Seems that we really might be "Englishmen gone wrong"
>>as Alistar Cooke once said (In jest, I believe).
>
>
> 'Bout time we ditched all this tedious screwing around with clocks and left
> everything on BST all year round. What's the point in putting the clocks
> back an hour and making it dark both when you go out and come home, it's
> been proven that there are more accidents in the evenings after the clocks
> go back so why do it?
> Badger.

What, and give the southerners what they want!

You're one of the last people who I would have expected to support the
idea. What does Derry think?

Having witnessed the late 1960's trial when in Glasgow, I found that not
seeing proper daylight until mid-morning was most depressing ..... and
you are much further north than that.

"Dougal" <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ZPednYaS2K2ZNvneRVnyvA@eclipse.net.uk...
>
>
> Badger wrote:
>
>> "Arden" <arden66@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:mq88m11dqqu14t3g64glh322lljs8cce5n@4ax.com...
>>
>>>Same in the US. Seems that we really might be "Englishmen gone wrong"
>>>as Alistar Cooke once said (In jest, I believe).
>>
>>
>> 'Bout time we ditched all this tedious screwing around with clocks and
>> left everything on BST all year round. What's the point in putting the
>> clocks back an hour and making it dark both when you go out and come
>> home, it's been proven that there are more accidents in the evenings
>> after the clocks go back so why do it?
>> Badger.
>
> What, and give the southerners what they want!

Hmmm.... do I sense a touch of resistance based on the positioning of a
border? ;-)

> You're one of the last people who I would have expected to support the
> idea.

Why do you say that?

> What does Derry think?
>
> Having witnessed the late 1960's trial when in Glasgow, I found that not
> seeing proper daylight until mid-morning was most depressing ..... and you
> are much further north than that.

Well, I can't comment on that trial as I wasn't born until 1965 and I
appreciate what you say re. mid-morning, although having said that it's
daylight on the Moray coast by 8.30 - 9.00am even in the darkest period of
the winter so I don't see an extra hour making all that much difference to
anyone for the 3 or 4 weeks of real darkness right in the middle of the
winter, if you were getting that hour back later in the afternoon.
Was the trial only in Glasgow? If so, there are logistical horrors for
commuters nowadays and any further trial would need to be country-wide, it
would also tie us in nicely with CET for those companies who do a lot of
business with Europe. As much as I'm anti-European at heart (an island is an
island etc etc), I appreciate the needs of business's that rely on export
trade.
If I were given the choice between darkness at both ends of the working day
or just one end, I'd go for one end only, any time. I remember growing up in
Falkirk (Not my choice! ;-) ) as a kid and being thoroughly depressed even
then about going both to and from school in the dark!!
The body is more alert after a good sleep than after a days work, hence the
safety issues with travelling home in the dark, and there are a lot more
vehicles on the roads carrying more commuters than ever before so maybe it's
time to drop old differences and change for the better? Even extending the
BST timescales by a month either end would be a start, surely?
Badger.

On or around Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:24:12 +0000 (UTC), "Badger"
<brianhatton@btinternet.com> enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Arden" <arden66@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:mq88m11dqqu14t3g64glh322lljs8cce5n@4ax.com...
>>
>> Same in the US. Seems that we really might be "Englishmen gone wrong"
>> as Alistar Cooke once said (In jest, I believe).
>
>'Bout time we ditched all this tedious screwing around with clocks and left
>everything on BST all year round. What's the point in putting the clocks
>back an hour and making it dark both when you go out and come home, it's
>been proven that there are more accidents in the evenings after the clocks
>go back so why do it?

Well, I reckon it should be left on GMT, instead of arsing about with this
foreign time...

originally, Daylight Saving time was done so as to get as much done in the
daylight hours, by conning people into getting up earlier. As to being
dark... well, it's less dark in the morning. If you will live in the far
north where it's only daylight for about 5 minutes...

Besides, you lot up there always complain about this. I don't see anyone
complaining when you get an extra hour's light in midsummer. I've heard
(though not seen it meself) that it almost doesn't get dark in midsummer on
Shetland.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
Robert Frost (1874-1963) from Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening

"> "Lee_D" <leeNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote in message
> news:qs38m1p97l3ruhs2f04anbg6has3mvucen@4ax.com...
> > Clocks!
> >
> > Don't forget! 1 hour back
> >
> > Lucky me isn't on the night shift :0)
> >
> > Though it's always a never ending source of entertaiment taking the
> > mick out of the Early shift when the unsuspecting turn up and hour
> > early.
> >
> > Lee D
> > --
> > "I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of
fools.
> > Let's start with typewriters."
> > - Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)
> >
> > www.lrproject.com
> > '76 101 Camper
> > '64 88" IIa V8 Auto
> > '97 Disco ES Auto LPG'd
> > '01 Laguna
>
> Viviane" <bharking@nospam.bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:xV09f.4472$Hj2.245@news-server.bigpond.net.au...> Here in Australia
we're going forward one hour - summer is on the way!
>
argghh nooooo you will no doubt be glad for the end of a horrible cold
winter
{8-P
Derek

Dougal <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote in
news:ZPednYaS2K2ZNvneRVnyvA@eclipse.net.uk:

>
>
> Badger wrote:
>
>> "Arden" <arden66@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:mq88m11dqqu14t3g64glh322lljs8cce5n@4ax.com...
>>
>>>Same in the US. Seems that we really might be "Englishmen gone
>>>wrong" as Alistar Cooke once said (In jest, I believe).
>>
>>
>> 'Bout time we ditched all this tedious screwing around with clocks
>> and left everything on BST all year round. What's the point in
>> putting the clocks back an hour and making it dark both when you go
>> out and come home, it's been proven that there are more accidents in
>> the evenings after the clocks go back so why do it?
>> Badger.
>
> What, and give the southerners what they want!
>
> You're one of the last people who I would have expected to support the
> idea. What does Derry think?
>
> Having witnessed the late 1960's trial when in Glasgow, I found that
> not seeing proper daylight until mid-morning was most depressing .....
> and you are much further north than that.
>

Derry disapproves of bureaucratic meddling in anything. Some twit down at
Greenwich on a power trip I expect.

I can alter the clocks, but what about my biological clock? Why don't the
silly beggars just get up an hour earlier/later and leave the rest of us in
peace?

Derry

Derek wrote:
> "> "Lee_D" <leeNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote in message
>> news:qs38m1p97l3ruhs2f04anbg6has3mvucen@4ax.com...
>>> Clocks!
>>>
>>> Don't forget! 1 hour back
>>>
>>> Lucky me isn't on the night shift :0)
>>>
>>> Though it's always a never ending source of entertaiment taking the
>>> mick out of the Early shift when the unsuspecting turn up and hour
>>> early.
>>>
>>> Lee D
>>> --
>>> "I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of
>>> fools. Let's start with typewriters."
>>> - Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)
>>>
>>> www.lrproject.com
>>> '76 101 Camper
>>> '64 88" IIa V8 Auto
>>> '97 Disco ES Auto LPG'd
>>> '01 Laguna
>>
>> Viviane" <bharking@nospam.bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:xV09f.4472$Hj2.245@news-server.bigpond.net.au...> Here in
> Australia we're going forward one hour - summer is on the way!
>>
> argghh nooooo you will no doubt be glad for the end of a horrible cold
> winter
> {8-P
> Derek

Cold??? You mean it gets colder than 20°C anywhere???

Karen, in Brisbane where it was 32°C today


--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast

Yes we did have some cold days in Sydney over winter - it got below 20C on a
couple of days!

"Karen Gallagher" <karen_oz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eEi9f.373$Je5.2399@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> Derek wrote:
>> "> "Lee_D" <leeNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote in message
>>> news:qs38m1p97l3ruhs2f04anbg6has3mvucen@4ax.com...
>>>> Clocks!
>>>>
>>>> Don't forget! 1 hour back
>>>>
>>>> Lucky me isn't on the night shift :0)
>>>>
>>>> Though it's always a never ending source of entertaiment taking the
>>>> mick out of the Early shift when the unsuspecting turn up and hour
>>>> early.
>>>>
>>>> Lee D
>>>> --
>>>> "I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of
>>>> fools. Let's start with typewriters."
>>>> - Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)
>>>>
>>>> www.lrproject.com
>>>> '76 101 Camper
>>>> '64 88" IIa V8 Auto
>>>> '97 Disco ES Auto LPG'd
>>>> '01 Laguna
>>>
>>> Viviane" <bharking@nospam.bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:xV09f.4472$Hj2.245@news-server.bigpond.net.au...> Here in
>> Australia we're going forward one hour - summer is on the way!
>>>
>> argghh nooooo you will no doubt be glad for the end of a horrible cold
>> winter
>> {8-P
>> Derek
>
> Cold??? You mean it gets colder than 20°C anywhere???
>
> Karen, in Brisbane where it was 32°C today
>
>
> --
> "I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
> - Slartibartfast
>
>

Badger wrote:

> "Dougal" <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
>
>>Badger wrote:
>>
>>>"Arden" <arden66@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>Same in the US. Seems that we really might be "Englishmen gone wrong"
>>>>as Alistar Cooke once said (In jest, I believe).
>>>
>>>'Bout time we ditched all this tedious screwing around with clocks and
>>>left everything on BST all year round. What's the point in putting the
>>>clocks back an hour and making it dark both when you go out and come
>>>home, it's been proven that there are more accidents in the evenings
>>>after the clocks go back so why do it?
>>>Badger.
>>
>>What, and give the southerners what they want!
>
> Hmmm.... do I sense a touch of resistance based on the positioning of a
> border? ;-)

Not necessarily a border but most certainly in this context a line drawn
E-W through somewhere in the area of Watford.



>>You're one of the last people who I would have expected to support the
>>idea.
>
> Why do you say that?

Purely on geographical grounds.



>>What does Derry think?

>>Having witnessed the late 1960's trial when in Glasgow, I found that not
>>seeing proper daylight until mid-morning was most depressing ..... and you
>>are much further north than that.
>
> Well, I can't comment on that trial as I wasn't born until 1965 and I
> appreciate what you say re. mid-morning, although having said that it's
> daylight on the Moray coast by 8.30 - 9.00am even in the darkest period of
> the winter so I don't see an extra hour making all that much difference to
> anyone for the 3 or 4 weeks of real darkness right in the middle of the
> winter, if you were getting that hour back later in the afternoon.
> Was the trial only in Glasgow?

No it was UK-wide and I think it lasted two years.



> If so, there are logistical horrors for
> commuters nowadays and any further trial would need to be country-wide, it
> would also tie us in nicely with CET for those companies who do a lot of
> business with Europe. As much as I'm anti-European at heart (an island is an
> island etc etc), I appreciate the needs of business's that rely on export
> trade.

Then there are those of us who deal with persons whose clocks are way
off in the other direction.
But what really gets to me is the attitude of those in and around London
(and it is largely they who seem so keen on year-round BST) who believe
that their interests must come first and stu.. the rest of you!




> If I were given the choice between darkness at both ends of the working day
> or just one end, I'd go for one end only, any time. I remember growing up in
> Falkirk (Not my choice! ;-) ) as a kid and being thoroughly depressed even
> then about going both to and from school in the dark!!
> The body is more alert after a good sleep than after a days work, hence the
> safety issues with travelling home in the dark, and there are a lot more
> vehicles on the roads carrying more commuters than ever before so maybe it's
> time to drop old differences and change for the better? Even extending the
> BST timescales by a month either end would be a start, surely?
> Badger.

I'd go with darkness at only one end of the working day certainly but,
as a very definite non-morning person, for me it would have to be light
in the morning.

Derry Argue wrote:
> Dougal <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote in
> news:ZPednYaS2K2ZNvneRVnyvA@eclipse.net.uk:
>
>
>>
>>Badger wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Arden" <arden66@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:mq88m11dqqu14t3g64glh322lljs8cce5n@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Same in the US. Seems that we really might be "Englishmen gone
>>>>wrong" as Alistar Cooke once said (In jest, I believe).
>>>
>>>
>>>'Bout time we ditched all this tedious screwing around with clocks
>>>and left everything on BST all year round. What's the point in
>>>putting the clocks back an hour and making it dark both when you go
>>>out and come home, it's been proven that there are more accidents in
>>>the evenings after the clocks go back so why do it?
>>>Badger.
>>
>>What, and give the southerners what they want!
>>
>>You're one of the last people who I would have expected to support the
>>idea. What does Derry think?
>>
>>Having witnessed the late 1960's trial when in Glasgow, I found that
>>not seeing proper daylight until mid-morning was most depressing .....
>>and you are much further north than that.
>>
>
>
> Derry disapproves of bureaucratic meddling in anything. Some twit down at
> Greenwich on a power trip I expect.
>
> I can alter the clocks, but what about my biological clock? Why don't the
> silly beggars just get up an hour earlier/later and leave the rest of us in
> peace?
>
> Derry

Now that's more like it! Well said, sir.