c099895
New Member
Datatek,
Yup noted, but for £200+vat, it is only 2-3 visits to the stealers....... do you know if it can be used on several vehicles?? or just licenced to one?..
Also It claims it can read/ reset ALL software on the RR, prob be worth the money?
Just trying to get some feedback on its performance before i buy..
Paul...
Yup noted, but for £200+vat, it is only 2-3 visits to the stealers....... do you know if it can be used on several vehicles?? or just licenced to one?..
Also It claims it can read/ reset ALL software on the RR, prob be worth the money?
Just trying to get some feedback on its performance before i buy..
Paul...
c099895
New Member
Update..... I have an update from BB Solutions, The FCR should be available end of Jan / Feb and should be able to read all fault codes and be able to reset them... just need to find out if it will sync the Becm re key fob probs etc... which i believe it does. I will be single vehicle use as it locks onto your chassis number on first use . So £235 not too bad for the amount it can do..
I know RSW are looking to develop their own software, buit i have no laptop and cant drag the pc through the garden, house, drive to hook up to the RR in the rain! so it may prove useful to me .. ..
I know RSW are looking to develop their own software, buit i have no laptop and cant drag the pc through the garden, house, drive to hook up to the RR in the rain! so it may prove useful to me .. ..
as far as i know, and i have looked, theres no way round it as yet. primarily because no one wants tospend 2-300 quid and then take it to bits. there will be a way to block it from locking onto a chassis number. ive found that stuff like testbook software is very simple in its operation. just a case of finding out where it stores the information and resetting it to its default value. then developing something to reset it every time its used or at the operators choosing. can't be that hard although beyond my skills!
Datatek
Well-Known Member
Definately not difficult to bypass the lock code if you have the expertise and the time, I have neither! One small problem could be ending up in court over breach of copyright if any one does it and it becomes public knowledge
As long as you kept it secret, and did not discuss it on a publicly viewable forum, then they would probably never find out, and you might get away with it. :hysterically_laughi
Sorry Guys, I really could not resist,
Well come on, it is funny. :doh:
Seriously, no offense taken or meant, not the first time i have seen this idea / thought mentioned, and it probably won't be the last. I got past being serious about that sort of stuff some time back.
I am very pleased to meet you all and make your acquaintance.
For those not yet acquainted with me or still scratching their heads about my little joke, check out my hello thread
http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f20/hello-all-94690.html
On the face of it, that might well sound possible, but if i tell you that we spent 10% of the time making it do what it does, and 90% of the time making it secure against tampering, you might perhaps want to re consider.
Anyway, that's enough already on that sordid subject.
I did not really come here about that at all. I just noted a few incorrect comments and points i would, with your, and the boards kind indulgence, like to straighten out and explain.
Well actually that's not true at all.
Our objective is to provide a system to a private owner, and although we can only lock it to their present car (without implant surgery that is as such, a fundamental element that has to be designed in right from the start is the ability for owners to change their vehicle and be able to move the equipment to a new car. By car i mean Land Rover only of course. Who would want anything else.
Therefore it is possible to remotely de lock the FCR as it is with the Faultmate.
We do plan to charge for this, but only like 10 or 15 quid to cover the work we have to do our end plus a couple of quid for the Christmas party fund ;-).
This of course also means that any unit also has a substantial resale value, meaning that the cost of ownership is not really the entire purchase price, just the difference between what you buy and what you sell it for.
That brings me on to Paul, The original poster.
Please don't buy an FCR, as i see and think you now know, it does not yet cover the P38 at all.
At present the FCR only covers CAN bus systems of which there are none in the P38 at all. We are working right now to add early L322 model systems, after which we will add the P38 system next but frankly, although we already cover these like no one else does or can with our Faultmate equipment, adding them to the FCR is quite time consuming so it may well be a month or two yet before we are sorted with P38.
If you have any questions, i would be happy to answer them, but please bear in mind i have no commercial interest here am totally at the discresion of the boards commercial posting rules and i actually really have no desire to bang on about or promote our products. Hell i have enough of that on E-Mails :doh:
On that note, please Mods, if i have or do make any such breach, i deeply apologize and would welcome and adhere to any notes of guidance.
A warmest regards and Happy new Year to all
Colin
Sorry Guys, I really could not resist,
Well come on, it is funny. :doh:
Seriously, no offense taken or meant, not the first time i have seen this idea / thought mentioned, and it probably won't be the last. I got past being serious about that sort of stuff some time back.
I am very pleased to meet you all and make your acquaintance.
For those not yet acquainted with me or still scratching their heads about my little joke, check out my hello thread
http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f20/hello-all-94690.html
On the face of it, that might well sound possible, but if i tell you that we spent 10% of the time making it do what it does, and 90% of the time making it secure against tampering, you might perhaps want to re consider.
Logically thinking, we specialize in accessing some of the most highly protected electronic equipment there is, despite layers of really heavy security funded by massive corporates, i think its fair to say we know quite a bit more than most about implementing somewhat better than average security.
Anyway, that's enough already on that sordid subject.
I did not really come here about that at all. I just noted a few incorrect comments and points i would, with your, and the boards kind indulgence, like to straighten out and explain.
It is annoying, i get that. But our stuff is not amateurish by any means which means expensive, and VIN locking is the only way i can think of to bring the level of professionalism our stuff is known for, to private owner type price levels.
Well actually that's not true at all.
Our objective is to provide a system to a private owner, and although we can only lock it to their present car (without implant surgery that is
as such, a fundamental element that has to be designed in right from the start is the ability for owners to change their vehicle and be able to move the equipment to a new car. By car i mean Land Rover only of course. Who would want anything else. Therefore it is possible to remotely de lock the FCR as it is with the Faultmate.
We do plan to charge for this, but only like 10 or 15 quid to cover the work we have to do our end plus a couple of quid for the Christmas party fund ;-).
This of course also means that any unit also has a substantial resale value, meaning that the cost of ownership is not really the entire purchase price, just the difference between what you buy and what you sell it for.
That brings me on to Paul, The original poster.
Please don't buy an FCR, as i see and think you now know, it does not yet cover the P38 at all.
At present the FCR only covers CAN bus systems of which there are none in the P38 at all. We are working right now to add early L322 model systems, after which we will add the P38 system next but frankly, although we already cover these like no one else does or can with our Faultmate equipment, adding them to the FCR is quite time consuming so it may well be a month or two yet before we are sorted with P38.
If you have any questions, i would be happy to answer them, but please bear in mind i have no commercial interest here am totally at the discresion of the boards commercial posting rules and i actually really have no desire to bang on about or promote our products. Hell i have enough of that on E-Mails :doh:
On that note, please Mods, if i have or do make any such breach, i deeply apologize and would welcome and adhere to any notes of guidance.
A warmest regards and Happy new Year to all
Colin
Datatek
Well-Known Member
On the face of it, that might well sound possible, but if i tell you that we spent 10% of the time making it do what it does, and 90% of the time making it secure against tampering, you might perhaps want to re consider.
Logically thinking, we specialize in accessing some of the most highly protected electronic equipment there is, despite layers of really heavy security funded by massive corporates, i think its fair to say we know quite a bit more than most about implementing somewhat better than average security.
Colin
If an autistic bloke can hack NASA and other US computers, I reckon that someone with the interest and the time would be able to hack your stuff, just not worth the effort:doh:
Give that man a cigar.
You are spot on
You don't have to make it totally impossible, just beyond economical worth :welcome2:
Although adding in a few extra measures never hurts.
In fact Datatek, based on what i have seen from the bigger guys, the Autism was probably an advantage.
All to often in large companies, some uncaring and underpaid chap adds security that looks good, but is actually full of holes, is all you are up against.
Take for example Fords 3 byte anti access rolling code algorithm. At first glance it looks truly impossible to crack, but then we notice there might be an exploitable flaw. After six months of relentless effort, we crack it.
Now, not only can we get round it ourselves, but we can incorporate its good and innovative points as yet another layer in our own security. Having of course closed the same weakness we exploited.
At the risk of sounding arrogant, while i agree that any it is possible to break any amount of security, the degree we use is vastly beyond what would be required for the value in question.
Nice summer Toy BTW
Mine is an SL55 AMG
You are spot on
You don't have to make it totally impossible, just beyond economical worth :welcome2:
Although adding in a few extra measures never hurts.
In fact Datatek, based on what i have seen from the bigger guys, the Autism was probably an advantage.
All to often in large companies, some uncaring and underpaid chap adds security that looks good, but is actually full of holes, is all you are up against.
Take for example Fords 3 byte anti access rolling code algorithm. At first glance it looks truly impossible to crack, but then we notice there might be an exploitable flaw. After six months of relentless effort, we crack it.
Now, not only can we get round it ourselves, but we can incorporate its good and innovative points as yet another layer in our own security. Having of course closed the same weakness we exploited.
At the risk of sounding arrogant, while i agree that any it is possible to break any amount of security, the degree we use is vastly beyond what would be required for the value in question.
Nice summer Toy BTW
Mine is an SL55 AMG
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Datatek
Well-Known Member
Give that man a cigar.
You are spot on
you don't have to make it totally impossible, just beyond economical worth :welcome2:
In fact datatek the autism was probably an advantage.
Aye autistics have great mental powers, usually in only a narrow range tho.
No need to threaten to kill me by smoking.
Hiya Paul
Ah so it was you then ;-)
No problem
I consider myself well and truly told
But all work and no play makes jack a really boring chap
And as it is the weekend now. :ballchain:
You can't really blame me for spending a bit of time having a look about at whats going on and being said and this forum / post did most definitely invite my participation / comment.
Ah so it was you then ;-)
No problem
I consider myself well and truly told
But all work and no play makes jack a really boring chap
And as it is the weekend now. :ballchain:
You can't really blame me for spending a bit of time having a look about at whats going on and being said and this forum / post did most definitely invite my participation / comment.
eightinavee
Well-Known Member
No can on an LP ?
Irishrover
Well-Known Member
:welcome2:
Welcome to the madhouse BBS Guyraise: this lot will certainly test your constitution !!
It appears that free P38 accross the board diagnostics will be available to all in a short while..does that mean a free holiday in sunny Limassol is due to your customers as a consolation prize?:hysterically_laughi
I can't wait for the day when I equip my P38 with an onboard diagnostic computer system which will enable me to read and clear all the continuous faults before they occur....bit like trying to work out what "Er Indoors" is thinking before she puts her mouth in motion.
Welcome to the madhouse BBS Guy
raise: this lot will certainly test your constitution !!It appears that free P38 accross the board diagnostics will be available to all in a short while..does that mean a free holiday in sunny Limassol is due to your customers as a consolation prize?:hysterically_laughi
I can't wait for the day when I equip my P38 with an onboard diagnostic computer system which will enable me to read and clear all the continuous faults before they occur....bit like trying to work out what "Er Indoors" is thinking before she puts her mouth in motion.
Rick-the-Pick
Active Member
Hello Colin,
So you managed to navigate your way here. You took your time.
It's a great place to hang out & share our wealth of knowledge.
So you managed to navigate your way here. You took your time.
It's a great place to hang out & share our wealth of knowledge.
