landie man

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Now I've had so many differing opinions on this one. (fitting LPG to my su carbed rover sdi v8) the main one being that they don't like gas because it makes them run too hot.

Now I've spoken to a reputable LPG fitters (they fit kits to celebs vehicles) and they said it only makes the engine run 3 degrees hotter, which will make very little difference. and is much cleaner than petrol, so it's worth doing.

What is everyones thoughts on that? I'm still trying to decide whether to keep the V8 and gas it, or take it out and fit a 200tdi. I don't want to go to that expence if I don't have too, as the V8 is a good engine, but I've got to do something about the running costs, and LPGing it would be the cheapest, and easy way to do it.

Also has anyone got LPG on thier V8? if so, how do you get on with it?

Also, If I was to sell it and get a landy with a 200tdi, What will I get for my 87 swb V8 90 now? I've just restored the chassis/bulkhead to a good standard, (although both needed very little doing to it) It's had about 3 coats of shaltz underseal and waxoil on it, it has new :-..... Tomb raider steps, heavy duty winch bumper, fuel tank, a new respray. no rust whatsoever anywhere, checkerplated wing tops, and door/ sill bottoms, many new mechanical parts which include 4 all terain shocks, new ball joints, starter motor, water pump, new full service by proper garage, rear work lamp, front light bar with working lights, front driving lamps,stainless grill, and headlamp surrounds, towpack with alko tow ball (only just fitted, but never towed) rear side seats, will have 12 months mot, new tyres, steering damper, diff guards, newish alternator, electronic ignition, rear bumperetts, rear step, soundproofed back and front, radio casette player with 6 CD changer, rear door lock, (all other doors work as should), rad hoses, spare wheel cover. No leaks anywhere. All the above is new, and the landy looks like new, it's as good as you'll get with no rust or oxidization anywhere, and have bills to prove parts fitted. Oh, I also have a new windscreen rubber but haven't fitted it yet.

I know it's hard to give an accurate valuation, but with the above work done, what can I expect to get for my landy? It needs no work doing to it at all, and everything works as it should. the engine was supposed rebuilt in 97, and only 20,000 done since. I cant prove that, but it certainly runs like it, and the garage commented on how well the engine runs. :)
 
The savings with LPG are not as great as some would claim. Firstly, you'll get less equivalent MPG with LPG, as much as 10% depending on engine and vaporizer type. LPG costs vary greatly, even with garages next door to each other. On average, I have found the LPG price is 60% of the standard unleaded price. So the maths would suggest you are not halving your costs but saving around a third, or a little more than a third. With the differential in MPG between oil burners and petrol, that saving is eroded even more and begins to achieve parity. BUT, we are talking about driving a V8 and given the choice between that and driving an oil burner then no contest, the V8 every time. I had my Disco 2 V8 converted at 6000 miles and have covered +30k since with a big grin on my face.
 
The savings with LPG are not as great as some would claim. Firstly, you'll get less equivalent MPG with LPG, as much as 10% depending on engine and vaporizer type. LPG costs vary greatly, even with garages next door to each other. On average, I have found the LPG price is 60% of the standard unleaded price. So the maths would suggest you are not halving your costs but saving around a third, or a little more than a third. With the differential in MPG between oil burners and petrol, that saving is eroded even more and begins to achieve parity. BUT, we are talking about driving a V8 and given the choice between that and driving an oil burner then no contest, the V8 every time. I had my Disco 2 V8 converted at 6000 miles and have covered +30k since with a big grin on my face.

Yes I have noticed LPG prices have crept up over the years, when I first fitted gas to my old VW camper, about 10 years ago now, (think I was one of the first to fit it to an aircooled camper, it took me and a mate about a weekend) it was about 30p a ltr! It's supposed to be cheaper because it's green. But the government are as usual just bloody greedy, and will simply not let us run a vehicle cheaply. You wait, I'm willing to bet even if leccy vehicles take off, they will still find an excuse to tax us to the hilt. Trouble is we just seem to lie down and take it over here.

Anyway rant over lol. I'm pleased to hear you haven't had any probs from your engine using the gas. The fitter I was thinking of using said they convert taxis that have done 300'000 on gas with no probs. I've just got to work out if the £1,200 cost of fitting it will pay for itself before I get too old to drive lol. I don't want to do it myself again, because now insurance companies want certificates, 10 years ago they just loaded my policy a little. Thanks for the reply anyway. :)
 
Not long just bought an LPG equipped RRC for a daily driver. Smooth, slightly quieter and cleaner burning than straight petrol.. agree totally about the wild LPG costs fluctuations, 76p a litre at my local independant, 84p at the local supermarket!!!
Better to get one already done (with installation and check certification to make insurance easier), I could never justify fitting one myself to be honest...I'm not a taxi driver and simply don't do enough mileage for the maths to add up. That said, the LPG system suits my daily needs so far.

The weekend play thing is a bobbed RRC and that runs straight petrol. smiles per gallon with that one...definately!
 
remember to factor in the cost of an LPG system with the miles you will do.

if you only do a few 000 miles a year it will take a while for the system to pay for it's self.

of course if you go to an LPG fitter they are not going to tell you its bad for your engine. LPG will cause burnt valves and other problems with the engine.


spend the cash on a set of heads for the engine and enjoy 20-30 more HP rather than fit an LPG system lol
 
My 4.6 was converted at about 60k. It's now on almost 140k with no issues whatsoever.

All the naysayers seem to forget that the RV8 (especially the later larger capacity ones) are all prone to block problems regardless of whether they've been lpg'd or not. Crap quality control during manufacture seems to be one of the main causes. Rover took the engine on in the first place because of their expertise in aluminium casting gained during their work on the early jet engines - the Americans couldn't build it reliably - but subsequent owners of Rover reduced quality control in both design and manufacture to almost zero.

If you've got a good block then I'd be very surprised if lpging it caused any problems. If you've got a bad one then it will go whether you lpg it or not.

Most important thing whether you lpg it or not, is to ensure the cooling system is in (and remains in) good condition. A single overheating incident can wreck it.

Unfortunately, as others have said, with the price of lpg constantly going up, it will take a long time to pay for itself. Not sure most of the price increases are all down to tax rises - it seems to be mostly profiteering from the oil companies.

Just my 2 pence worth.
 
SDI? Is that a diesel? I thought you couldn't convert diesles to LPG???

Sorry it's the Rover 3.5 SD1 engine I have.

It came out of a low milage 80's Rover SD1, And is a good engine that starts on the button. First thing I did was give it a full service when I got it. (not cheap for one of these engines) but worth it.

Think As most seem to say, run it and enjoy it, and just bite the bullet with the cost. I don't smoke, and rarely drink, so guess I could call it my little indulgence in life. I won't be doing that many miles in it, so it would take me a long time to re coup the costs in fitting LPG.

As has already been said, I saw a real nice rover v8 head for sale in one of the landy mags, it cost about £1,100 (the same as an LPG conversion) So am tempted to get one as it has stainless vales, and rock hard seats etc. and is guaranteed to run with unleaded, or LPG without any probs. Hmm maybe an indulgence for the future, as the head on mine is fine at the moment.

Oh, if I'm towing a heavy caravan, would you guys recommend I get a kenlowe fan/fans fitted? I know they differ depending on what engine you have, but at a cost of £2-300 odd, they are expensive. is it a worthwhile thing to do does anyone think? If it gives me a few more MPG then I guess it's definately worth it. I just think those fans are overpriced for what they are.

Again, thanks for your input guys. I haven't had my landy long, and although I've done some hard graft on it, it's certainly given me some smiles alrerady. :)
 
That looks like a yank cherokee jeep to me :D

It certainly is :D

Here's another Yank Jeep too... :eek: (not mine though)

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That looks like a yank cherokee jeep to me :D
Yes they do all look the same to me too. The later 'sterlings' even, which I think went on until the 90's were very similar to the early ones. Mind you you could say the same with landrovers I guess. :D Don't think I've got a friday afternoon engine though, even though laylands quality control at the time was well questionable. I think that was more to do with the vehicles bodywork.

Thats why you have to look hard to find an SD1 these days. cant remember when I last saw one on the road. They all rusted out long ago, but I have a feeling most of the engines out of them have been transplanted in to landys all over england. Well before the 2-300tdi's came out anyway.

I can understand now with owning one for a while what the attraction to having a good V8 is, even though it costs to have one. Think you need to own one though to understand it. :)
 
Yes they do all look the same to me too. The later 'sterlings' even, which I think went on until the 90's were very similar to the early ones. Mind you you could say the same with landrovers I guess. :D Don't think I've got a friday afternoon engine though, even though laylands quality control at the time was well questionable. I think that was more to do with the vehicles bodywork.

Thats why you have to look hard to find an SD1 these days. cant remember when I last saw one on the road. They all rusted out long ago, but I have a feeling most of the engines out of them have been transplanted in to landys all over england. Well before the 2-300tdi's came out anyway.

I can understand now with owning one for a while what the attraction to having a good V8 is, even though it costs to have one. Think you need to own one though to understand it. :)


I couldn't agree more:)
Tried owning a 200Tdi 'd RRC, and did not like it one bit....not one little bit at all.
Was quite interesting that it generated probably to most interest I've ever had for a car being sold on ebay (over 200 watchers & at one stage 12 people wanting to view) seeing one or two numptys coming to view it when I was selling it too (pointing out the frigging obvious that was in the ebay listing anyways:rolleyes:)....Its clear the diesels do have a following, but give me a petrol V8 anyday :)
 
I couldn't agree more:)
Tried owning a 200Tdi 'd RRC, and did not like it one bit....not one little bit at all.
Was quite interesting that it generated probably to most interest I've ever had for a car being sold on ebay (over 200 watchers & at one stage 12 people wanting to view) seeing one or two numptys coming to view it when I was selling it too (pointing out the frigging obvious that was in the ebay listing anyways:rolleyes:)....Its clear the diesels do have a following, but give me a petrol V8 anyday :)
You've obviously sold a few vehicles on ebay. What could I expect to get for my landy do you think? I know you can only give a ball park figure, but the V8 is good, runs very sweet, I've just restored the bodywork, all the rust has been cut out, (not that it had that much in there in the first place), just on the top corners of the bulkhead, which I cut all the bad metal out and welded in new corner panels, the chassis only needed a little patching, but again all bad metal was cut out, then completely waxoiled, and undersealed in every orriface, (it took gallons of the stuff) Then completely resprayed. it looks like almost new, with no rust, or aluminiun cancer anywhere, It's an 87 swb 90. I've just replaced shocks all round with all terrain ones, has new tires, a full service, winch bumper, everything works as should, new rear door handle, water pump, and fan belt, steering damper, diff gaurds, track rod ends, will have new mot, completely sound proofed, radio and 8 CD changer, checker plate all around the bottom, and the rear,and ontop of the rear cross member, which is not hiding anything, stainless front grill and headlight surrounds,tow pack, roof light bar and lights all working, tomb raider steps, rear work lamp, and prob more I haven't thought of. Oh hang on i'll put some pics on. I just want to know the ebay market, and what you think I should get an agreed value for.

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