needmoretools

needmoretools

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Hi everyone got my wife a manual td4 54 plate freelander 1 and I knew it had the propshaft removed by a garage and ripped the old guy I bought it off. So I'm looking at fitting a second had one there's a bloke near on Facebook stripping both a auto and manual car. But only has the propshaft on a auto left does this fit a manual as I've only got it yesterday and not got much hippo knowledge. it's so small compared to my d2 and xc90 lol.
 
IIrc the props are usually removed when the vcu is goosed, someone with more knowledge may be
able to help you more than I can. @Hippo might be the chap. :)
 
Hopefully he can help. I'm on holiday this week and all I'm doing is fixing cars and been a taxi driver for the wife
 
needmoretools said:
Hi everyone got my wife a manual td4 54 plate freelander 1 and I knew it had the propshaft removed by a garage and ripped the old guy I bought it off. So I'm looking at fitting a second had one there's a bloke near on Facebook stripping both a auto and manual car. But only has the propshaft on a auto left does this fit a manual as I've only got it yesterday and not got much hippo knowledge. it's so small compared to my d2 and xc90 lol.
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Late freelander have less VCU issue, if the owner change all the 4 tires at same time. Depending on the car mileage perhaps the IRD has gone and they put a blanking plate on it ( you'll have missing part on the IRD ).
If you found a second hand propshaft you will certainly need to change the vcu bearings, and the 3 universal joints ...
You need to check that you have 4 identical tires with the same manufacturing date ( DOT number), if not there is a big problem ...
And then check the IRD, and perharps you will only see the issue once the propshaft is in place.
 
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I got it yesterday and when the old person daughter said a bearing was going on the propshaft. They told the old guy it would be cheaper to remove the lot . They also charged him 140 for changing a brake pipe.
I looked under the car and they have unbolted it from the gearbox to the rear diff and removed the 2 bearings. So all I need to know is there any difference in propshafts inbetween auto and manual are they interchangeable.
 
needmoretools said:
I got it yesterday and when the old person daughter said a bearing was going on the propshaft. They told the old guy it would be cheaper to remove the lot . They also charged him 140 for changing a brake pipe.
I looked under the car and they have unbolted it from the gearbox to the rear diff and removed the 2 bearings. So all I need to know is there any difference in propshafts inbetween auto and manual are they interchangeable.
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The props & VCU are the same for manual and auto and 3 & 5 door.

It is common to remove props because support bearings or UJs have gone. In these instances it is likely that the IRD and diff are in reasonable condition to reinstate the props - although not guaranteed.

It is also common for people to give all sorts of excuses as to why the props didn't really need removing, but in actual fact the IRD (or diff) is shagged. Its the rear PTO on the IRD that the prop connects to which almost always goes. You won't know until you put props back on that it is shagged.

If they just removed the props, they may not have changed the oil in the IRD - so that would be your first move. If the old oil comes out with a metallicy sheen, then that is the bearings in the PTO ground to a pulp and suspended in the oil. Before refilling, you could remove the coupling from the IRD and have a look at the gears to see if there is any damage visible on them.

It is almost certain that the props you buy will need the VCU replaced. You can install them, but before using the car much, do a 1 wheel up test. IIRC with 5kg on a 1.2m bar you want to be getting a time under a minute. Much more and don't even consider using it, whip them back off until you have a recon VCU (and probably support bearings) (probably from Bell Engineering).

More info..

https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/tests-new-freelander-1-owners-should-do-on-their-car.312863/

There are a number of threads where people are asking about reinstating props and the pitfalls.
 
Don't even consider refitting the propshaft unless you knew the VCU is in perfect condition, all the drive line components (IRD and diff) are perfect (check by changing the oil) and it has 4 identical tyres fitted, with the least worn on the back.
Not doing all these things could do more damage to the system, resulting in a large repair bill.
Does it need to be AWD? If not, then why bother.
 
DanClarke said:
"Just got my wife a td4 manual"

...ok, but will she ever read it? ;)
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Thanks for the replys and information I'll get the parts if they not to expensive and do all the tests. I've got xc90 mot today and then got to fix the roof on the wife's cab to do put blinds up fit 2 bathroom cabinet strim the paddock. It's grateful been on hol lol
 
needmoretools said:
Hi everyone got my wife a manual td4 54 plate freelander 1 and I knew it had the propshaft removed by a garage and ripped the old guy I bought it off. So I'm looking at fitting a second had one there's a bloke near on Facebook stripping both a auto and manual car. But only has the propshaft on a auto left does this fit a manual as I've only got it yesterday and not got much hippo knowledge. it's so small compared to my d2 and xc90 lol.
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I've got a spare 1 came of a 56 plate manual you can have it if you want to pay for shipping
 
Before fitting the new propshaft, remove the IRD output pinion and inspect it. For non freelander nerds, the IRD is the transfer box doosah lumped onto the side of the gearbox, the output pinion of which is what drives the front end of the propshaft, and is held on by 5 bolts / studs. Start by checking the filler plug for the IRD will unscrew, as they are a sod on these motors and do get stuck causing all sorts of problems where people have drained their IRD oil and are unable to refill it afterwards because the filler plug sticks. Assuming you get the IRD filler plug off, remove the pinion and catch the little bit of oil that will come, out inspect the teeth on the pinion and the gears it engages with for signs of damage, if it's not mangled you can then proceed to put the flange back on, top up the IRD oil, and refit the propshaft, and enjoy happy motoring with your wife in the new motor :)
 
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