norseman

norseman

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I see in the news that JLR are going to have to save 2.5 billion as a result of a drop in sales, especially in China, coupled with a downturn in demand for diesel powered vehicles. The company have not confirmed (or denied) a large scale lay-off of workers. This follows a recent 2 week halt in production just before Christmas. Does this mean the bubble has burst I wonder? Many have said in the past that the company builds too many versions, resulting in an overlap between models.
nb: this is not 'fake news' it was reported by the BBC today.
 
Ford are no without their problems either ....

“We are taking decisive action to transform the Ford business in Europe,” Steven Armstrong, group vice president, Europe, Middle East and Africa, said in a statement on Thursday...

Ford Europe, which employs 53,000 people, has been losing money for years and pressure to restructure its operations has increased since arch-rival General Motors G.M raised profits by selling its European Opel and Vauxhall brands to France’s Peugeot SAC ..

Ford Europe reported a 245 million euro ($282 million) loss before interest and taxes in the third quarter, equivalent to a negative 3.3 percent EBIT margin...
 
I can only think that the poor reliability and repair costs (while under JLR warranty) of many (certainly the Landrover products) will be adding to the expense of the business
 
marksman said:
I can only think that the poor reliability and repair costs (while under JLR warranty) of many (certainly the Landrover products) will be adding to the expense of the business
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Then why are they investing in China and Slovakia ?
 
[QUOTE="norseman, post: 4449618, member: 32827"this is not 'fake news' it was reported by the BBC today.[/QUOTE]

Ill agree its not fake news....but not because you saw it on the bbc :)
 
norseman said:
I see in the news that JLR are going to have to save 2.5 billion as a result of a drop in sales, especially in China, coupled with a downturn in demand for diesel powered vehicles. The company have not confirmed (or denied) a large scale lay-off of workers. This follows a recent 2 week halt in production just before Christmas. Does this mean the bubble has burst I wonder? Many have said in the past that the company builds too many versions, resulting in an overlap between models.
nb: this is not 'fake news' it was reported by the BBC today.
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Too much overlap on the models IMHO and combined with the over reach into the Orient.

Combine that with the reliability and extreme complexity of newer vehicles and the R&D expenditure on gimmicks it's no wonder they are struggling, especially with the price tags that are akin to a flat in the suburbs for the top of the range motors.

God forbid that there is a major recession, JLR as we know it is a premium and luxury top end vehicle manufacturer with no real sustainable base of high volume affordable vehicles to keep them going.

What are your thoughts on the vehicle line up and overlap issue?
 
Dippypud said:
Then why are they investing in China and Slovakia ?
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Manufactured in China those vehicles will be more appealing as they won't have faced the incredible import duties that China puts on imported vehicles, Slovakia is not a new project and is necessary to reduce costs through greater mechanisation and lower overall production costs associated with manufacturing in a developing country, cheap to start with but costs will rise, but it won't be a problem for them to contend with as they can shut the most expensive plants in the UK etc, and carry on at the cheaper locations.
 
marksman said:
Agree as well far too much overlap, is there a basic working vehicle now ??
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Not that I am aware of, could be wrong but the last one was the D4 commercial, never seen an FL2 commercial nor any of the others in the line up???
 
Seems that blaming Land Rover and not their partners Jaguar for the troubles, which is possibly true.

My XE goes in for its first MOT next month, it’s only been in the garage twice in the three years for its annual oil change and that’s it, just like my brothers XF plus a couple of friends with Jaguars they are all petrol of course, the local Jag dealer is full of Diesel engine vehicles not going anywhere, so the diesel issue may have something to do with the lack of sales.

According to the BBC 90% of LRs are diesel why buy a very expensive vehicle and have a diesel engine fitted something I’ve always wondered. :(
 
Apparently JLR (like many others) will be concentrating on electric power. Being a confirmed cynic I'm tempted to say that the relative simplicity of an electric motor rather than complex fuel systems, turbos etc. might make their products more reliable than they are now :rolleyes:
 
EeEk said:
[QUOTE="norseman, post: 4449618, member: 32827"this is not 'fake news' it was reported by the BBC today.
I'll agree its not fake news....but not because you saw it on the bbc :)
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Seems I'm not the only cynic on here, welcome to the club ;)
 
norseman said:
Apparently JLR (like many others) will be concentrating on electric power. Being a confirmed cynic I'm tempted to say that the relative simplicity of an electric motor rather than complex fuel systems, turbos etc. might make their products more reliable than they are now :rolleyes:
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Lots of other stuff to go wrong still.... in fact I wager the reliability is still a challenge, as all new tech is
 
norseman said:
Apparently JLR (like many others) will be concentrating on electric power. Being a confirmed cynic I'm tempted to say that the relative simplicity of an electric motor rather than complex fuel systems, turbos etc. might make their products more reliable than they are now :rolleyes:
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I'm sure they will find ways to unnecessarily overcomplicate it
 
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