Dopey

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We was (my Son and i ( driving along on the M25
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) yes the traffic was moving, there was a 50 MPH limit come on over the gantry he was doing well over 60 mph i told him to slow down as there was a camera on top of this one (Gatso) he told me that it wont pick up black and white ( or silver) plates because its a digital recognition system, and he has gone through loads of them in the SII for years without him getting a ticket for speeding, now i know when the DVLA come around with there van to check up on road tax insurance (mine ran out my mistake for over a year) and they didn't pick up on it, so there's some truth in that, also on google my numberplate were showing up on both the front and the back, and i had to ask them 2 times to delete it from there maps, and im sure that's automated to do that, so i think its true you can speed without you getting a ticket on cameras
 
1 white on back background

2 cuz he's young and likes to drive fast?? i don't know, i could ask him for you though
 
They dont conform to latst DVLA specs - However "Vehicles constructed before 1.1.73 may display traditional style ‘black and white’ plates i.e. white, silver or grey characters on a black plate."

"The colours and reflectivity of number plates are also specified in the regulations, and there is a British Standard (BS AU 145d) which describes the physical characteristics of number plates, including: visibility, strength and reflectivity. Front plates must have black characters on a white background, while rear plates must have black characters on a yellow background. The British Standard also requires that a number plate must be marked with the following information: the British Standard Number, the name, trade mark, or other means of identification of the manufacturer or component supplier, the name and postcode of the supplying outlet. A non-reflective border is optional. There may be no other markings or material contained on the number plate.

SUMMARY: What is required and permitted on UK road-legal number plates
Required:
•White front plate (to British Standard BS AU 145d)
•Yellow rear plate (to British Standard BS AU 145d)
•The registration number of the bearer vehicle in the mandatory font (black ‘Charles Wright 2001’)
•Spacing of characters and character groups in accordance with the measurements specified in the regulations. Variation is not permitted"

There are concessions for older and vintage cars. “Historic vehicles”, i.e. those built prior to 1973, are permitted to bear the old-style black plates of either plastic or traditional metal construction.

To quote the DVLA: "Vehicles constructed before 1.1.73 may display traditional style ‘black and white’ plates i.e. white, silver or grey characters on a black plate."


for a more detailed write up - look here
 
Do you think its because there not reflective that a digital cam cant recognised them?
 
might be because the government don't think that cars old enough to carry black n silver plates can go fast enough to trigger a speed camera?
 
I reckon they looked at the pictures or an old 'tractor', looked at the speed-stamp.....
shook thier heads at it, and sent some-one out to recalibrate the camera!

Seriousely, they CAN read the number-plates. There was a lot of speculation about this when they first came out, and ever since, from such notions as sticking cling film over the number-plate to smearing it with vasceline, or them having a way to 'enhance' the image by reversal....

On the original cameras, the only 'trick' that we discovered that actually worked was to have a photographic flash-gun and a 'slave cell' trigger in the number plate light, so that when the Gatso camera flashed (and they always flashed originally) the camera flash in the number-plate lamp also flashed and caused the camera to over expose the picture....

These days, they are digital cameras, not halide, and are linked to computers; the camera offers a picture to the puter and optical regognition tries to pick out the number plate automatically, but if it cant, it gets passed to a human handler, and if they cant imedietly pick out the plate, they can go back to the original 'footage' and go through it frame by frame, to get a better image.... they can also do some engahncements on it, and I believe the cameras have Infra-Red and UV filters in them, and they can seperate out the 'layers' to get a clearer image......

Basically, if they want to, they' will do you...... only way they cant, is if the plate is missing or obscured.

But when they get passed to a human handler, they can get quite cunning, and even if they cant get an index from the picture, they look at the make and model, colour ans stuff, and use the DVLA data-base to narrow it down to a number of possible veichles, and see if they get a 'partial match'.

Now, imagine, picture of the back end of a motorbike; how much detail are you going to see?

I'm a biker, and half the time I couldn't tell you from a back end view what make a bike is, let alone model........ but the Met, in a clamp down a couple of years ago, managed to 'nick' a whole bunch of bikers running gatso's with small, obscured or even false number plates......

They used old fasioned detective work, and aparently, they identified a number of bikers from their crash-helmets, the make, model and paint schemes.....

The reality is probably NOT that the number-plate didn't trigger the camera or was unreadable.......

But that the notoriousely unreliable Land-rover speedo, was over reading, and the car WASN'T going that quick.......

Or the camera had the 'trigger' set to a speed above what you were doing...... they dont always set it exactly at the limit, or even +10% add 2..... depending on how many hits they get......

Or some cameras aren't actually 'activated'.....

Or the instance was tagged as a 'marginal' and not worth prosecuting, unless they cought the same number habitually triggering cameras on margin.....
 
My mate boots his vectra around the M25 most weekdays and says the same thing; hasn't got a ticket.
But;
not all gantrys have cameras in them, you can spot the ones that have on the gantry on the opposite side, the ones that do, do work. If the police can't read the plate completely, they'll check make/model/bodywork/colours etc with the dvla and get a partial numberplate check. That's enough to pursue.

We're lucky here just to get a fine in the UK; in france for example you can get banned on the spot! And they can hide behind obstacles with laser cameras, makes you pay even more attention than normal.

Speed cameras, especially mobile ones are slowly decreasing in numbers, I heard that before, local councils were given them from the "safety camera partnership" and fines collected paid for them, now the councils have to pay upfront first, which my local one, being one of them, can't always afford; but have seen numberous unmarked cars/bikes with cameras in front.

Also increasing is the ANPR vehicles, mostly unmarked vans, and I believe they use unmarked smart cars in London.
 
Do you think its because there not reflective that a digital cam cant recognised them?

If your eyes can see the number plate... then so can the speed camera!
If the plates didn't reflect any light it would be invisible and hence deserving of a science award!

Maybe your Son has been speeding mostly at night when infrared cameras get used (if forward facing to see the driver's face)... possible they can't detect the IR at night?

I suggest your boy tries an experiment.. by driving through a camera at top speed (say 65MPH in a 30 zone) and see what happens.
 
If your eyes can see the number plate... then so can the speed camera!
If the plates didn't reflect any light it would be invisible and hence deserving of a science award!

Maybe your Son has been speeding mostly at night when infrared cameras get used (if forward facing to see the driver's face)... possible they can't detect the IR at night?

I suggest your boy tries an experiment.. by driving through a camera at top speed (say 65MPH in a 30 zone) and see what happens.


We should all wear Lone Ranger masks when driving, or even better, Gordon Brown hallowe'en masks!

CharlesY
 
I thibk I said once before, anything we do in this country is fecked up by the government.
I dont think thats right about the black and silver business, the dsp system will recognize the plates anyhow, maybe the operator likes landy's.
 

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