The Vineman · Apr 12, 2023

Hi all, have owned Landrovers all my life and currently have downsized to Freelander 2, love the car, suits my retirement. I have however a very slight judder under braking that is puzzling me, have replaced front discs and pads and drive shafts. On replacing the FNS drive shaft, we noted some excess movement in the inner shaft bearing in the final drive housing. Can this bearing and seal be replaced and can any one possibly advise if this can be the cause of the judder, and what the remedy is??? Having always had live axle LR I confess to being a little confused by the front drivetrain set up on the Freelander.

GrumpyGel · Apr 12, 2023

Welcome to LZ.

Hope the F2 works out well for you.

Can't help with your question though, F2 is far to high tech for me

Nodge68 · Apr 12, 2023

If the rotors have been replaced, were the hubs behind them cleaned of all rust before the new rotors were fitted?
If so have you measured the run-out to see it's minimal?

If both those things spot on, then the lower wishbone rear hydro-bush could well have started to go soft.

Drive shafts aren't normally responsible for vibration under braking, as when braking they're doing nothing at all.

The Vineman · Apr 12, 2023

Nodge68 said:
If the rotors have been replaced, were the hubs behind them cleaned of all rust before the new rotors were fitted?
If so have you measured the run-out to see it's minimal?

If both those things spot on, then the lower wishbone rear hydro-bush could well have started to go soft.

Drive shafts aren't normally responsible for vibration under braking, as when braking they're doing nothing at all.

Thanks for that, spot on, will check wishbone bushes.
As a matter of interest in your experience, how much play is acceptable in the inner drive shaft where it gies into casing. I can move it around in the seal/bearing quite a bit, no leaking oil tho and its been like it for 10k miles including a trip to Pyrenees.
Many thanks to you, hard to find someone with your experience.

Nodge68 · Apr 13, 2023

The Vineman said:
As a matter of interest in your experience, how much play is acceptable in the inner drive shaft where it gies into casing. I can move it around in the seal/bearing quite a bit, no leaking oil tho and its been like it for 10k miles including a trip to Pyrenees.

It's pretty common for there to be play in output bearings, and is of no real consequence unless it's bad enough to cause the oil seal to leak.
There is a condition with the inboard CV joints where as they wear, they begin to tighten under load, giving vibration when accelerating, but if it's vibration free except when braking, you issue is elsewhere.

The Vineman · Apr 13, 2023

Nodge68 said:
It's pretty common for there to be play in output bearings, and is of no real consequence unless it's bad enough to cause the oil seal to leak.
There is a condition with the inboard CV joints where as they wear, they begin to tighten under load, giving vibration when accelerating, but if it's vibration free except when braking, you issue is elsewhere.

Fantastic, thank you again. Having a predominantly front wheel drive Landy has taken some getting used to after a lifetime of series, defenders and D2's but I do like this freelander. Comfortable, economical, suprising on road and off with loads of redundency built in as you would expect of any Landrover.

Nodge68 · Apr 13, 2023

The Vineman said:
Comfortable, economical, suprising on road and off with loads of redundency built in as you would expect of any Landrover

Don't forget it's got a 5 ☆ EuroNcap crash rating too, which is much higher than any LR that came before it, and equal to the RR L322.

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