been done to death, it wont be coming in as it would harm the UK economy too much, we have a massive modifications market and the government wont want to stop it..
 
VOSA are massively against this and making their vice be heard, they have stopped a fair few of the new EU regs for MOT's coming through, its just another case of what the EU want us to as apposed to what were prepared to do. in the UK we are doing a good job of keeping our country the way we want it compared to many others, yeah there is plenty of EU **** but think of 'ze germans, even changing your tyre brand means having to get your car tested!
 
I dunno. Parliament has done some pretty stupid things at times on its own, sometimes with devistating effect to various markets and the economy. Take the LEZ for example, the number of small businesses that are now out of business because they can't afford to replace their vans with post 2002 models. Devistating impact to many people, however the politicians don't care as it doesn't affect big business or votes.

Even worse though. Most EC directives become law simply by a statutory instrument. That is usually a goverment minister giving effect to EC directives without Parliament involvement.

It really wouldn't surprise me if this kind of thing became law purely because minsiters and civil servants just follow the process without any intellegence applied.
 
any politician that is stupid enough to put this through will be hanged by there own kind within 6 months due to massive loss of tax if nothing else and just how far will they take this no mods crap as i have seen it on another forum that there is a blanket ban on mods ie changing your stero mod illegal putting a set of alloys on illegal the bobbletwat politicians really need to re think this one
 
Personally, I think this legislation is a good idea. With pre 1960 vehicles becoming MOT exempt from november, I think there is going to be a large increase in "Historic" vehicles on the road, on which the only part that actually qualifies as being historic is the VIN plate. I think this will actually do quite a lot to protect the genuine historic vehicles. Otherwise many of them will be just stripped of their ID's and either broken for parts or just left to rot. There is nothing in this legislation that prevents you from modifying your vehicle, but it just means that it will lose it's historic status if you do so. there is also a lot of scaremongering going on about what modifications will cause a vehicle to lose it's historical status. Your vehicles status will not be affected if you use 2nd hand parts that are identical to the parts originally fitted, or even if you use new parts that are exact copies of the original parts. What you won't be able to do anymore is stick a series body and ID onto a coil sprung chassis and running gear and claim it as MOT & tax exempt. Which may also have the knock on effect of reducing theft of classic vehicles in order to steal their ID, and also of reducing the amount of ringing going on.
 
it will effect all off road modded vehicles perhaps ,and it wont stop vehicle theft ,no one steals one for id ,they are broken for your std used parts or shipped abroad
 
jamesmartin said:
it will effect all off road modded vehicles perhaps ,and it wont stop vehicle theft ,no one steals one for id ,they are broken for your std used parts or shipped abroad
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This proposed legislation only applies to Directive 2009/40/EC. This directive sets out the regulations concerning the periodic roadworthiness of vehicles that are over 30 years old. Directive 2010/48/EU & Directive 2010/47/EU deal with vehicles that are less than than 30 years old and are not affected by the proposed new Directive. Whilst I would agree with you that at the moment, most thefts of classic vehicles are for parts. Without the proposed legislation the ID's of classic vehicles will become much more valuable due to their MOT exempt status. Without tighter controls on what type of vehicle qualifies for classic status, then we will see a large increase of "classic" vehicles that are nothing more than a Defender or chopped Range Rover Chassis, with nothing more than a few series panels and a classic ID stuck on.
 
martin1512 said:
Personally, I think this legislation is a good idea. With pre 1960 vehicles becoming MOT exempt from november, I think there is going to be a large increase in "Historic" vehicles on the road, on which the only part that actually qualifies as being historic is the VIN plate. I think this will actually do quite a lot to protect the genuine historic vehicles. Otherwise many of them will be just stripped of their ID's and either broken for parts or just left to rot. There is nothing in this legislation that prevents you from modifying your vehicle, but it just means that it will lose it's historic status if you do so. there is also a lot of scaremongering going on about what modifications will cause a vehicle to lose it's historical status. Your vehicles status will not be affected if you use 2nd hand parts that are identical to the parts originally fitted, or even if you use new parts that are exact copies of the original parts. What you won't be able to do anymore is stick a series body and ID onto a coil sprung chassis and running gear and claim it as MOT & tax exempt. Which may also have the knock on effect of reducing theft of classic vehicles in order to steal their ID, and also of reducing the amount of ringing going on.
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Thats a very short sighted view. Lets look at the VW aircooled market, there are thousands and thousands of Historic VW's that are modified, some minor, some major, some for fun and some for an improvement in driveability, what you are propossing is to remove the Historic status from these, this would mean people wouldn't want to have these vehicles due to the increased cost, this would result in less historic vehicles on the road and less call for aftermarket spares and parts. Bearing in mind the size of the VW scene (its huge, absolutley huge) that would be a massive impact to the economy as well as individual livleyhoods...

Now add in the classic Fords, MG/Austins, Vauxhalls and whatever else people are interested in, it would have a devastating impact to the industry, something that would lead to thousands of job losses, a decrease in the value of people vehicles and a shrinking of parts availabilty and an increase in parts prices, basically carmageddon (see what I did there;)) of an entire industry...
 
i just worry about "creep" with these laws ,it seems clear that new car manufacturers and some politicians,eu want only new cars on the road plus a few genuine historic and not daily drives ,i think the heyday has gone for id shifting ,i know of large numbers done 10 years and more ago ,but see a lot less now and rung vehicles seem to get police interest that once wasnt evident
 
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