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Hi All,

It's been a while since I posted to this list and sadly it's desperation
that brings me back!

I've just returned from a restfull weeks holiday only for my Disco to break
down on me, fortunately, not to far from home.
And in true style it's serious (I alway's do a good job of these things).
The car-doctor say's it needs a transplant!
Apparently my crank is broken and one of my pistons maybe hitting the
cylinder head!

Anyway, the long and the short of this tale is that I need another power
unit (engine).

So does anyone know where I can get a decent second hand or reconditioned
engine for a Discovery 1 2.5TDi ?

Thanks

Gail


 
"Gail" <no.spam@mymail.org> wrote in message
news:cbgos7$5g3$1@news.ox.ac.uk...
> So does anyone know where I can get a decent second hand or reconditioned
> engine for a Discovery 1 2.5TDi ?

What year? If it's pre-94 and has the old-style headlights, you're looking
for a 200Tdi. If post-94 and newer-style, larger headlights, it's a 300Tdi.
The 200Tdi had blue or beige, fairly basic interior. The 300Tdi is a bit
more modern.

Although, in fact, the engines are moderately interchangeable.

Also, if you're looking for a good LR garage, there's a good specialist in
Standlake near Oxford, called James French Land Rover.

David


 
Gail wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> It's been a while since I posted to this list and sadly it's desperation
> that brings me back!
>
> I've just returned from a restfull weeks holiday only for my Disco to break
> down on me, fortunately, not to far from home.
> And in true style it's serious (I alway's do a good job of these things).
> The car-doctor say's it needs a transplant!
> Apparently my crank is broken and one of my pistons maybe hitting the
> cylinder head!
>
> Anyway, the long and the short of this tale is that I need another power
> unit (engine).
>
> So does anyone know where I can get a decent second hand or reconditioned
> engine for a Discovery 1 2.5TDi ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Gail
>
>

This is an international newsgroup, and many of us may not know you from
before. It could help if you'd let us know which country you're in.
 
"Graeme Willox" <graemewillox@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:40dbfffe@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> Gail wrote:
> > So does anyone know where I can get a decent second hand or
reconditioned
> > engine for a Discovery 1 2.5TDi ?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Gail
> >
> >
>
> This is an international newsgroup, and many of us may not know you from
> before. It could help if you'd let us know which country you're in.

Gail posted through the ox.ac.uk (Oxford University) news server so I
assumed she was in UK. Hence my Oxford comment. But I may be wrong. The
Internet's a big place.

D


 
I'm in the UK, Oxfordshire as David correctly determined.

The Engine I'm looking for is a for a 93 Discovery1 2.5 TDi-S

Hope that's helpfull.

Thanks
Gail


 
"Gail" <no.spam@mymail.org> wrote in message
news:cbh1qg$8s2$1@news.ox.ac.uk...
> I'm in the UK, Oxfordshire as David correctly determined.
>
> The Engine I'm looking for is a for a 93 Discovery1 2.5 TDi-S
>
> Hope that's helpfull.

That'll be a 200Tdi. Good engine. How did you manage to break one?

I've just had a quick ring-around some numbers from LRW.

H Beaumont in Halifax can rebuild your existing engine, or replace it with a
recon, on 01422 244823.

Turner Engineering near Gatwick can sell you a replacement and advise you on
somebody local who can fit it, on 01342 834713.

HTH
David.


 
"Gail" <no.spam@mymail.org> wrote in message
news:cbh31v$9bq$1@news.ox.ac.uk...
> Thanks everyone,
>
> Panic over
>
> I've found one.

Be aware that a bust crank may not mean a new engine - it may be repairable,
which could be a lot cheaper. Give the chap at Turners a call and he'll
explain.

David


 
David French wrote:

> "Graeme Willox" <graemewillox@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
> news:40dbfffe@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>
>>Gail wrote:
>>
>>>So does anyone know where I can get a decent second hand or
>
> reconditioned
>
>>>engine for a Discovery 1 2.5TDi ?
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>Gail
>>>
>>>
>>
>>This is an international newsgroup, and many of us may not know you from
>>before. It could help if you'd let us know which country you're in.
>
>
> Gail posted through the ox.ac.uk (Oxford University) news server so I
> assumed she was in UK. Hence my Oxford comment. But I may be wrong. The
> Internet's a big place.
>
> D
>
>

That sounds like a reasonable assumption. My newgroup reader doesn't
quote the same way yours does, and I wasn't aware that's where Gail was
from.
 
"Graeme Willox" <graemewillox@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:40dc1849@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> > Gail posted through the ox.ac.uk (Oxford University) news server so I
> > assumed she was in UK. Hence my Oxford comment. But I may be wrong.
The
> > Internet's a big place.
> >
> > D
> >
> >
>
> That sounds like a reasonable assumption. My newgroup reader doesn't
> quote the same way yours does, and I wasn't aware that's where Gail was
> from.

No worries - I usually post through a German news server, but I'm not in
Germany, so it doesn't work all the time anyway.

D


 
> Be aware that a bust crank may not mean a new engine - it may be
repairable,
> which could be a lot cheaper. Give the chap at Turners a call and he'll
> explain.

Thanks for this David,

My concern is more one of over-all cost. Whilst I agree with you that my
current faulty engine can be repaired the question is....would it be more
cost effective just to put another engine in it and exchange the faulty one
for a decent one?
Sadly this isn't something I'm capable of doing myself, so I also have to
build a mechanics time into the costs.

Out of curiosity, how do you tell the version II engine from the version 1 ?
It's just that, the mechanic said that the replacement engine is a seriesII
type12L. When I queried this with him he said that that's what I already
have in my car. ....maybe it's be changed before!?......... It does have
over 200,000 on the clock!

Anyway, I'll find out next week.

Thanks
G


 
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:29:05 +0100, "Gail" <no.spam@mymail.org> wrote:

>My concern is more one of over-all cost. Whilst I agree with you that my
>current faulty engine can be repaired the question is....would it be more
>cost effective just to put another engine in it and exchange the faulty one
>for a decent one?

Erm...

Replace it in a cost effective way with what? Another old engine?

Or, replace it with a recon engine or new one?

I'd have said you'd save at least a Grand by having the existing
engine rebuilt.

>It does have over 200,000 on the clock!

Odd for an engine to go wrong so early in its life - hardly run-in.

My Disco has that and some on it (250,000 I think, at the last count).


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Gail wrote:

>> Be aware that a bust crank may not mean a new engine - it may be
> repairable,
>> which could be a lot cheaper. Give the chap at Turners a call and he'll
>> explain.
>
> Thanks for this David,
>
> My concern is more one of over-all cost. Whilst I agree with you that my
> current faulty engine can be repaired the question is....would it be more
> cost effective just to put another engine in it and exchange the faulty
> one for a decent one?
> Sadly this isn't something I'm capable of doing myself, so I also have to
> build a mechanics time into the costs.
>
> Out of curiosity, how do you tell the version II engine from the version 1
> ? It's just that, the mechanic said that the replacement engine is a
> seriesII type12L. When I queried this with him he said that that's what I
> already have in my car. ....maybe it's be changed before!?......... It
> does have over 200,000 on the clock!
>
> Anyway, I'll find out next week.
>


Um - the 12L isn't a Series II engine - that would have 5 cylinders.

The 12L is a good old 200TDi block, just like I have on mine.

Basically, take a look at the engine. Looking from the front of the car the
number should be stamped on a flat on the left hand side of the engine
towards the front of the block. If it says 12L then it's a 200. If it is
covered under large amounts of black plastic that looks like a vinyl sofa's
been dumped under the bonnet then it's a TD5.

P.
 
"Paul S. Brown" <usenet060104@geekstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2k2no8F17a6umU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Um - the 12L isn't a Series II engine - that would have 5 cylinders.
> The 12L is a good old 200TDi block, just like I have on mine.
>
> Basically, take a look at the engine. Looking from the front of the car
the
> number should be stamped on a flat on the left hand side of the engine
> towards the front of the block. If it says 12L then it's a 200. If it is
> covered under large amounts of black plastic that looks like a vinyl
sofa's
> been dumped under the bonnet then it's a TD5.

I think she'd have noticed a TD5 engine in a 1993 Disco :)

What would a 300Tdi have stamped on it?


 
David French wrote:

> "Paul S. Brown" <usenet060104@geekstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:2k2no8F17a6umU1@uni-berlin.de...
>> Um - the 12L isn't a Series II engine - that would have 5 cylinders.
>> The 12L is a good old 200TDi block, just like I have on mine.
>>
>> Basically, take a look at the engine. Looking from the front of the car
> the
>> number should be stamped on a flat on the left hand side of the engine
>> towards the front of the block. If it says 12L then it's a 200. If it is
>> covered under large amounts of black plastic that looks like a vinyl
> sofa's
>> been dumped under the bonnet then it's a TD5.
>
> I think she'd have noticed a TD5 engine in a 1993 Disco :)
>
> What would a 300Tdi have stamped on it?

18L I think

P.
 
On or around Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:45:18 +0100, "David French"
<david.not.spam.french@virgin.net> enlightened us thusly:

>"Gail" <no.spam@mymail.org> wrote in message
>news:cbh1qg$8s2$1@news.ox.ac.uk...
>> I'm in the UK, Oxfordshire as David correctly determined.
>>
>> The Engine I'm looking for is a for a 93 Discovery1 2.5 TDi-S
>>
>> Hope that's helpfull.
>
>That'll be a 200Tdi. Good engine. How did you manage to break one?

though AFAIK it's no big deal to swap it for a 300 TDi if one turns up cheap
- you need the ancillaries such as alternator and PAS pump etc., as they
have different drive belt - apart from that, it should be near enough a
straight swap.

so if a good 300 TDi (about 1995-1998) turns up at a good price (say in a
crashed motor) it'd be worth going for.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"For when the One Great Scorer comes to write against your name,
He marks - not that you won or lost - but how you played the game"
Grantland Rice (1880-1954). my opinions are just that
 
On or around Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:55:37 +0100, "Paul S. Brown"
<usenet060104@geekstuff.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>David French wrote:
>
>> "Paul S. Brown" <usenet060104@geekstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:2k2no8F17a6umU1@uni-berlin.de...
>>> Um - the 12L isn't a Series II engine - that would have 5 cylinders.
>>> The 12L is a good old 200TDi block, just like I have on mine.
>>>
>>> Basically, take a look at the engine. Looking from the front of the car
>> the
>>> number should be stamped on a flat on the left hand side of the engine
>>> towards the front of the block. If it says 12L then it's a 200. If it is
>>> covered under large amounts of black plastic that looks like a vinyl
>> sofa's
>>> been dumped under the bonnet then it's a TD5.
>>
>> I think she'd have noticed a TD5 engine in a 1993 Disco :)
>>
>> What would a 300Tdi have stamped on it?
>
>18L I think

the most obvious difference though is the drive belts for alternator, PAS,
water pump etc.. The 200 TDi has a forest of V belts, the 300 has a single
serpentine belt.

The 300 TDi also has a compeltely different vacuum pump, but it's not so
obvious to the uninitiated.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"For when the One Great Scorer comes to write against your name,
He marks - not that you won or lost - but how you played the game"
Grantland Rice (1880-1954). my opinions are just that
 
16 L up to 22L depending on the version of the engine, namely whether it
was or was not fitted with EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) or with a
mechanical or electronicaly controlled diesel fuel pump and finally on
whether the engine was mated with a manual or automatic gearbox.
300Tdi engines mated to an automatic gearbox produced around 123 bhp (or
126?) instead of the standard 111 bhp.
200 Tdi engines on Discos were producing 111 bhp and on Defenders 107 (or
108?)

Take care
Pantelis

"Paul S. Brown" <usenet060104@geekstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2k2p79F16q51bU1@uni-berlin.de...
> David French wrote:
>
> > "Paul S. Brown" <usenet060104@geekstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:2k2no8F17a6umU1@uni-berlin.de...
> >> Um - the 12L isn't a Series II engine - that would have 5 cylinders.
> >> The 12L is a good old 200TDi block, just like I have on mine.
> >>
> >> Basically, take a look at the engine. Looking from the front of the car
> > the
> >> number should be stamped on a flat on the left hand side of the engine
> >> towards the front of the block. If it says 12L then it's a 200. If it
is
> >> covered under large amounts of black plastic that looks like a vinyl
> > sofa's
> >> been dumped under the bonnet then it's a TD5.
> >
> > I think she'd have noticed a TD5 engine in a 1993 Disco :)
> >
> > What would a 300Tdi have stamped on it?
>
> 18L I think
>
> P.


 
A 300Tdi may also have a second belt if fitted with A/C.
Another easily noticeable difference of the 300Tdi is that it usually comes
with the elastic cover on the top of the engine while the 200Tdi was never
fitted with it from the factory but this cover can be retrofitted to it (and
it does make a small difference in reducing the clattering noise when
idling.

Take care
Pantelis

"Austin Shackles" <austin@ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:i2nod0hg7qlngfmeu4t32di7anghmsuojv@4ax.com...
> On or around Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:55:37 +0100, "Paul S. Brown"
> <usenet060104@geekstuff.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >David French wrote:
> >
> >> "Paul S. Brown" <usenet060104@geekstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:2k2no8F17a6umU1@uni-berlin.de...
> >>> Um - the 12L isn't a Series II engine - that would have 5 cylinders.
> >>> The 12L is a good old 200TDi block, just like I have on mine.
> >>>
> >>> Basically, take a look at the engine. Looking from the front of the
car
> >> the
> >>> number should be stamped on a flat on the left hand side of the engine
> >>> towards the front of the block. If it says 12L then it's a 200. If it
is
> >>> covered under large amounts of black plastic that looks like a vinyl
> >> sofa's
> >>> been dumped under the bonnet then it's a TD5.
> >>
> >> I think she'd have noticed a TD5 engine in a 1993 Disco :)
> >>
> >> What would a 300Tdi have stamped on it?
> >
> >18L I think
>
> the most obvious difference though is the drive belts for alternator, PAS,
> water pump etc.. The 200 TDi has a forest of V belts, the 300 has a
single
> serpentine belt.
>
> The 300 TDi also has a compeltely different vacuum pump, but it's not so
> obvious to the uninitiated.
>
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
> "For when the One Great Scorer comes to write against your name,
> He marks - not that you won or lost - but how you played the game"
> Grantland Rice (1880-1954). my opinions are just that


 
In article <cbgos7$5g3$1@news.ox.ac.uk>, no.spam@mymail.org (Gail) wrote:

> Apparently my crank is broken and one of my pistons maybe hitting the
> cylinder head!
>
> Anyway, the long and the short of this tale is that I need another power
> unit (engine).

Have they lifted the head?

Depending on the actual damage a rebuild may be cheaper.

--
Niamh
4x4 Cymru
http://www.4x4cymru.co.uk
 
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