AndyCCraig · Aug 2, 2023

Hi All,

I have been getting the intermittent clicking on my TD5 for a while, but always started eventually.
Over the last couple of days it then seemed to struggle starting before this morning when there was nothing. The relay seems to be working ok. It nothing from the starter motor.

Thinking about doing the refurbish kit rather than going with a new motor?

What’s the honest opinion?

Beneagles · Aug 2, 2023

Comes down to money v time really. How quickly do you need to be back on the road?

AndyCCraig · Aug 2, 2023

Time not an issue, I think I am more worried about my fat arm’s getting to the hidden bolt and messing that up.

Beneagles · Aug 2, 2023

AndyCCraig said:
Time not an issue, I think I am more worried about my fat arm’s getting to the hidden bolt and messing that up.

Yeah...but unfortunately that applies either way!

Anaconda · Aug 2, 2023

I would remove starter and strip it out first. I fitted a repair kit which didn't fix it. On further investigation the brushes were knackered.
Fitted a new Denso at £160 which isn't so bad.

Stanleysteamer · Aug 2, 2023

I fitted the contacts kit and it has been fine since.
The "nut from hell" is the issue so I put up a thread about how to do it, I'll see if I can find it and put up a link.

ere you go.

Removing starter motor on TD5 auto, replacing contacts, etc

Hi Having done this just recently I am putting this up in case others have the same problems as I did and want to know the easiest way to solve them. Reason for doing it? Irregular starting, turn key to final position, solenoid clicks but starter doesn't turn, until I tried it over and over...

www.landyzone.co.uk

AndyCCraig · Aug 2, 2023

Stanleysteamer said:
I fitted the contacts kit and it has been fine since.
The "nut from hell" is the issue so I put up a thread about how to do it, I'll see if I can find it and put up a link.

ere you go.

Removing starter motor on TD5 auto, replacing contacts, etc

Hi Having done this just recently I am putting this up in case others have the same problems as I did and want to know the easiest way to solve them. Reason for doing it? Irregular starting, turn key to final position, solenoid clicks but starter doesn't turn, until I tried it over and over...

www.landyzone.co.uk

Thanks for the link, think it might be beyond me amd my limited amount of tools. Shame really as I would find the actual refurbishment a doodle.

Landmark2 · Aug 2, 2023

I have read that some folks have done the refurb without removing the starter.
Took mine off ok and used a refurb kit several months ago and been fine since.
Roughly where are you in the country in case there's someone close to help.

Stanleysteamer · Aug 2, 2023

AndyCCraig said:
Thanks for the link, think it might be beyond me amd my limited amount of tools. Shame really as I would find the actual refurbishment a doodle.

It is said it CAN be done in situ, but I didn't fancy the idea.

One temporary thing you can do is to take the nuts off the outside part of the contacts where you connect the wires, (batt disconnected first!) then under them tighten up the nuts there that hold the contacts to the solenoid, I was surprised to find that mine were a bit loose when I was doing the job. Once you've tightened them and put the rest of it back together you may be surprised.

If you own a Landy you will eventually own the tools! They aren't expensive for this job, and the method does work. Others jumped on with their own methods which worked for them. These again involved tools of slightly different sizes to mine (Oooh, Matron!)
Best of luck.

AndyCCraig · Aug 2, 2023

Landmark2 said:
I have read that some folks have done the refurb without removing the starter.
Took mine off ok and used a refurb kit several months ago and been fine since.
Roughly where are you in the country in case there's someone close to help.

Melksham in Wiltshire, will give it go and see how I get on.

Stanleysteamer · Aug 2, 2023

AndyCCraig said:
Melksham in Wiltshire, will give it go and see how I get on.

Melksham, where they don't have any stautes cos they ain't got no Devizes for Chippenham!!!

(I lived in Chippenham for a litle while and my Dad worked in Calne for years. )

AndyCCraig · Aug 2, 2023

Stanleysteamer said:
Melksham, where they don't have any stautes cos they ain't got no Devizes for Chippenham!!!

(I lived in Chippenham for a litle while and my Dad worked in Calne for years. )

Got to love Melksham.

AndyCCraig · Aug 2, 2023

Stanleysteamer said:
I fitted the contacts kit and it has been fine since.
The "nut from hell" is the issue so I put up a thread about how to do it, I'll see if I can find it and put up a link.

ere you go.

Removing starter motor on TD5 auto, replacing contacts, etc

Hi Having done this just recently I am putting this up in case others have the same problems as I did and want to know the easiest way to solve them. Reason for doing it? Irregular starting, turn key to final position, solenoid clicks but starter doesn't turn, until I tried it over and over...

www.landyzone.co.uk

Is there any torque settings ? Rather than tight?

Stanleysteamer · Aug 3, 2023

AndyCCraig said:
Is there any torque settings ? Rather than tight?

Some will be in the Haynes, I daresay all will be in RAVE somewhere, I'll dig my Haynes out and have a look, wait on....

I thought yopu said you don't have many tools, but you do have a torque wrench!!!

....anyway, from Haynes, "starter motor nut/bolts 27 newton/metres or 20 lbf ft

For some reason I am having trouble opening up RAVE.

Dervishi · Aug 3, 2023

From rave
Starter motor - Td5 27 Nm (20 lbf.ft)
Starter motor solenoid 10 Nm (7 lbf.ft)
Starter motor - V8 44 Nm (32 lbf.ft)

AndyCCraig · Aug 3, 2023

Stanleysteamer said:
Some will be in the Haynes, I daresay all will be in RAVE somewhere, I'll dig my Haynes out and have a look, wait on....

I thought yopu said you don't have many tools, but you do have a torque wrench!!!

....anyway, from Haynes, "starter motor nut/bolts 27 newton/metres or 20 lbf ft

For some reason I am having trouble opening up RAVE.

Ahh there is my problem, got a basic socket and no torque wrench

Stanleysteamer · Aug 3, 2023

Finally got Rave open.
the nut connecting the lead to the starter solenoid should be at 10 Nms or 7 lbf ft.

Anaconda · Aug 3, 2023

You should be fine without using a torque wrench on that job.

Stanleysteamer · Aug 3, 2023

AndyCCraig said:
Ahh there is my problem, got a basic socket and no torque wrench

TBH, when I did mine I didn't use a torque wrench, I don't think. Certainly not on the "nut from hell" it wouldn't have made any sense doing it via a U/J.
But a dial indicator one from Halfrauds or simla is really cheap.

Good advice given me by an old mechanic once. "Buy a cheap socket set, then replace any socket you break with a better make one. "

I once had a deal with Machine Mart where if I bought some tool boxes I got a huge set of tools free. You need to look out for offers like that.

AndyCCraig · Aug 6, 2023

AndyCCraig said:
Hi All,

I have been getting the intermittent clicking on my TD5 for a while, but always started eventually.
Over the last couple of days it then seemed to struggle starting before this morning when there was nothing. The relay seems to be working ok. It nothing from the starter motor.

Thinking about doing the refurbish kit rather than going with a new motor?

What’s the honest opinion?

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