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frankenstien

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Hi, Hoping somone might be able to give me a clue here.

I bought a 97 P38A with the coil conversion already done. I've not looked for a bypass loom attacthed as yet, but get the 'EAS manual' displayed on the LCD when I start the car so I asume all is good there.

My question is, do I still need any of the other items attached to the car that relate to the air suspension. The air compressor has been removed, so I guess I don't need the tank any more, do I still need the height sensors and is there a way of getting rid of the 'EAS Manual' alert.?

Thanks in advance
 
As above, it's not designed to run on coils, may even fail the MOT if the new rules are fully applied.
 
Indeed, the new rules are going to stop people having race cars that are road legal too, which will stop a lot of amateur rally events. I honestly think the new rules won't last for long.
 
Bix said:
Indeed, the new rules are going to stop people having race cars that are road legal too, which will stop a lot of amateur rally events. I honestly think the new rules won't last for long.
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Only if the UK escapes the clutches of the EU, they want to ban all aftermarket changes like stainless exhausts, different tyres etc etc and maybe even 4 x 4's :mad:
 
Datatek said:
Only if the UK escapes the clutches of the EU, they want to ban all aftermarket changes like stainless exhausts, different tyres etc etc and maybe even 4 x 4's :mad:
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Although rules can improve products sometimes, take the General Grabber AT2s, the ATs failed the EU noise testfor a road tyre, the AT2 is the result - better in every way! :D

Fek the EU though, sooner out the better!
 
StuckAgainSteve said:
Although rules can improve products sometimes, take the General Grabber AT2s, the ATs failed the EU noise testfor a road tyre, the AT2 is the result - better in every way! :D

Fek the EU though, sooner out the better!
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Sure you haven't got that the wrong way round? The AT2s have been withdrawn because of alleged noise problems (I never noticed anything) and replaced with ATs... (yes I know the originals were called ATs too).
 
kooky_guy said:
Sure you haven't got that the wrong way round? The AT2s have been withdrawn because of alleged noise problems (I never noticed anything) and replaced with ATs... (yes I know the originals were called ATs too).
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Yes you're right it was the other way round - still the new tyre is the better tyre (I've used both) before the AT2 was withdrawn people were speculating that the "less aggressive" tread will mean the new AT is crap off road and on mud - well if anything it's better than the more aggressive tyre on mud - don't ask me how - it just is!
 
Datatek said:
Only if the UK escapes the clutches of the EU, they want to ban all aftermarket changes like stainless exhausts, different tyres etc etc and maybe even 4 x 4's :mad:
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There is too much money involved for a bad on stuff like that. It is a multibillion pound industry. Given the condition of the EU, going that far will break it up.

Although from what I've read recently, there has been some misunderstanding about the new rules. The factory fit rule only applies to safety equipment, so if your car left the showroom with airbags, abs, traction control, etc. you cannot disable it. The exception to the rule is if a vehicle has been properly modified for track/offroad use. It has put a damper on Barry's attempts at making his Saxo 1.0 look like a race car. I haven't seen anything yet that says you cannot change suspension.

Although that could just be because I'm not looking at the correct set of rules, only looking at those that came into force this year.
 
Bix said:
There is too much money involved for a bad on stuff like that. It is a multibillion pound industry. Given the condition of the EU, going that far will break it up.

Although from what I've read recently, there has been some misunderstanding about the new rules. The factory fit rule only applies to safety equipment, so if your car left the showroom with airbags, abs, traction control, etc. you cannot disable it. The exception to the rule is if a vehicle has been properly modified for track/offroad use. It has put a damper on Barry's attempts at making his Saxo 1.0 look like a race car. I haven't seen anything yet that says you cannot change suspension.

Although that could just be because I'm not looking at the correct set of rules, only looking at those that came into force this year.
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The proposals being chewed over are for no mods, the bikers have latched on to what is in the offing and have mounted some spectacular protests in true French style.
 
StuckAgainSteve said:
Yes you're right it was the other way round - still the new tyre is the better tyre (I've used both) before the AT2 was withdrawn people were speculating that the "less aggressive" tread will mean the new AT is crap off road and on mud - well if anything it's better than the more aggressive tyre on mud - don't ask me how - it just is!
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I agree. I too have both. I think the new ATs look more agressive than my AT2s though - I was quite surprised. Mind you the AT2s are a bit worn now.
 
Bix said:
There is too much money involved for a bad on stuff like that. It is a multibillion pound industry. Given the condition of the EU, going that far will break it up.

Although from what I've read recently, there has been some misunderstanding about the new rules. The factory fit rule only applies to safety equipment, so if your car left the showroom with airbags, abs, traction control, etc. you cannot disable it. The exception to the rule is if a vehicle has been properly modified for track/offroad use. It has put a damper on Barry's attempts at making his Saxo 1.0 look like a race car. I haven't seen anything yet that says you cannot change suspension.

Although that could just be because I'm not looking at the correct set of rules, only looking at those that came into force this year.
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What came in this year is only the start. The total package has to be in by i think April 2014. It depends how retrospective they make it. My bet is nothing made in or after 2004 will be allowed ANY modification reference chipping or tuning, disabling of EGR etc. Because that is the year everything in Europe HAD to be OBDII compliant. But that is only my guess. Suspension is already covered in "Inappropriate modifications" heading all they need to do is add stipulations to it.
 
strange though that most of the general at2 tyres have the eu standard s mark which denotes a pass for noise. i think they just lasted too long as the new general at has a wear index at least 100 points lower than the at2, so will wear out faster. you can call me a cynic if you like :D
 
Datatek said:
The proposals being chewed over are for no mods, the bikers have latched on to what is in the offing and have mounted some spectacular protests in true French style.
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wammers said:
What came in this year is only the start. The total package has to be in by i think April 2014. It depends how retrospective they make it. My bet is nothing made in or after 2004 will be allowed ANY modification reference chipping or tuning, disabling of EGR etc. Because that is the year everything in Europe HAD to be OBDII compliant. But that is only my guess. Suspension is already covered in "Inappropriate modifications" heading all they need to do is add stipulations to it.
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But how do you decided what sort of mod should be illegal? When I rebuilt the rear cross member on my Escort Van (tin worm infection) I decided to go against the standard Ford design and improve it. It did the same job, but was stronger, prevented the inherent design flaws that lead to the tin worm and easier to replace the rear dampers.

Would that then be deemed an illegal mod? Where do you draw the line on what is maintenance and what is a mod? I had a strut brace in my van that was made by Ford for the Ford Escort Mk6 Cabriolet. Would that be considered an illegal mod, even though it was made by Ford? I also had a Ford made sumpguard for my van, these were an optional extra and I got mine from a Ford dealer about 12 years after the van left the showroom. Is that an illegal mod?

Who would make the distinction as to what is considered illegal?

I recognise you're not drawing up the rules and are just as likely to be a victim of the new rules as everyone else as to make any British vehicle work you have to mod it.
 
Bix said:
But how do you decided what sort of mod should be illegal? When I rebuilt the rear cross member on my Escort Van (tin worm infection) I decided to go against the standard Ford design and improve it. It did the same job, but was stronger, prevented the inherent design flaws that lead to the tin worm and easier to replace the rear dampers.

Would that then be deemed an illegal mod? Where do you draw the line on what is maintenance and what is a mod? I had a strut brace in my van that was made by Ford for the Ford Escort Mk6 Cabriolet. Would that be considered an illegal mod, even though it was made by Ford? I also had a Ford made sumpguard for my van, these were an optional extra and I got mine from a Ford dealer about 12 years after the van left the showroom. Is that an illegal mod?

Who would make the distinction as to what is considered illegal?

I recognise you're not drawing up the rules and are just as likely to be a victim of the new rules as everyone else as to make any British vehicle work you have to mod it.
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All of the above are likely to be illegal. It is already technically illegal here to use a secondhand body part to repair a car. for example I cannot legally use a door off my doner car on my runner. Being French, No one takes blind bit of notice though:D
 
Bix said:
But how do you decided what sort of mod should be illegal? When I rebuilt the rear cross member on my Escort Van (tin worm infection) I decided to go against the standard Ford design and improve it. It did the same job, but was stronger, prevented the inherent design flaws that lead to the tin worm and easier to replace the rear dampers.

Would that then be deemed an illegal mod? Where do you draw the line on what is maintenance and what is a mod? I had a strut brace in my van that was made by Ford for the Ford Escort Mk6 Cabriolet. Would that be considered an illegal mod, even though it was made by Ford? I also had a Ford made sumpguard for my van, these were an optional extra and I got mine from a Ford dealer about 12 years after the van left the showroom. Is that an illegal mod?

Who would make the distinction as to what is considered illegal?

I recognise you're not drawing up the rules and are just as likely to be a victim of the new rules as everyone else as to make any British vehicle work you have to mod it.
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Basically as far as i can gather, and going by what happens in Spain according to a relative who lives there. Nothing can be added to a vehicle that is not on it's original factory spec. He bought a Merc 4x4 in England and took it back to Spain. It had retro fitted Merc made side steps and after market window tints. He had to remove the side steps and tints for it to pass the Spanish MOT. To get the side steps accepted he had to go to a main dealer. Have them refitted and added to the spec sheet by them and stamped up. If he wanted tinted windows he needed to have all the glass replaced by factory made smoked glass. Which was obviously out of the question. This coming to an MOT station near you soon. If the EU get their way.
 
Cool, so every Land Rover in the world is going to be illegal to use on the road. I wonder how emergency services that require Landies will get by since the mods aren't done by the factory. I honestly think the gov't will struggle to get these laws to pass. It is going to do too much damage to the economy. But then I guess it protects the auto industry which it appears is the most important thing in the world after protecting the banks.

Does that also mean no SAABs can be repaired since you can't get factory parts any more?

Guess it also means insurance prices in the UK will go up too since where possible they will use second hand parts.
 
Bix said:
Cool, so every Land Rover in the world is going to be illegal to use on the road. I wonder how emergency services that require Landies will get by since the mods aren't done by the factory. I honestly think the gov't will struggle to get these laws to pass. It is going to do too much damage to the economy. But then I guess it protects the auto industry which it appears is the most important thing in the world after protecting the banks.

Does that also mean no SAABs can be repaired since you can't get factory parts any more?

Guess it also means insurance prices in the UK will go up too since where possible they will use second hand parts.
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They want all cars over 10 years old scrapped. A really good green global warming solution.
 
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