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Hi Guys,
I am in the process of deciding on a clutch kit for my 97 300tdi. I will be installing a VVT on a freshly and completely rebuilt 300tdi, bored out to 40 thou over size with new pistons, rings etc., so need a good clutch for the added power.

Being here in the Caribbean has some huge limitations for me. If I was home in Canada, I would have had my performance clutch guys make me up a strong long lasting, efficient and torque rated/ increased clamping force clutch..but I am not there now.

These guys have been making performance clutches for me for a long time, mostly carbon fiber/ceramic. Depending on stages and HP they would increase clamping force on the covers. I know that all of this will increase energy through my 110 drive line, but you can drive with this in mind and don't launch or dump the clutch.
I have been doing so much research and there is so much mixed opinions with off the shelf 300tdi clutch kits, especially when it comes to using the 130 friction plate on the 110.

I am expressing what I read, we know people can abuse clutches, have varying opinions and experiences, so all this info is based on what I have researched. A lot of the clutch info online is 5 - years and much older so I am posting this thread seeking current information and experiences by techs and owners.
If any part of my details is wrong, I will edit as clarified.


1. So far we know that the clutch cover dia is the same between the 110 and the 130, the clutch disc or friction plate being the difference.
2. Differences between the two are identified by the size in dia and the amount of springs.
3. There is a heavy duty clutch kit for the 110
4. The OEM 110 and 130 clutch is made by Valeo
5. The 110 friction plate being 132mm in dia and the 130 143mm in dia. There are measurements +/- 3mm expressed online, I am guessing many guys are bending the measuring tape over the spline which will increase measurement.
6. NO Britpart clutch lasts... rivets break, slips prematurely.
7. Some Valeo friction plates breaks between the lining and the splines.
8. Some of the110 HD clutch kits suffer from juddering, could also be caused by uneven flywheel surfaces.
9. The 130 friction plate works on the 110
10. AP seems to be the kit with no issues
11. Borg and Beck seems good too but not as popularly discussed nor mostly recommended.

The clutch kit my 300tdi had (changed by previous owner) an AP cover and an 8 colored spring friction plate, see pic, from what I have read it might be a HD friction plate.
The AP cover (part number LC03LR002A) has exactly 245mm in dia and my friction disc exactly 235 mm with no part number or any other identification.

So it might seem that I have a good choice of cover and an HD friction plate, what do you guys think? I will still be replacing with new but wondering if I should go this route again. Unfortunately I did not get a chance to use my landy much when I bought it, but for the 1/4 mile or so I drove it, it was OK.

Would like to know what you guys suggest, experienced..good, bad and ugly. LOL

AP clutch cover LC03LR002A.jpg

Red Landy clutch kit from original engine.jpg
 
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I saw an exploded clutch at the garage i was at.. the middle part of the clutch disc shattered leaving springs and other debris in the pressure plate.. fairly sure that was a britpart clutch kit.
Personally i think it's not down to the quality of the build but the usage it's had to deal with... Someone who drops the clutch every time they pull away, shouldn't expect their clutch to do many miles at all, specially on a Landy.
If the vehicle does a lot of towing, i can imagine a britpart clutch kit would slip going up a hill on boost, for example.
If the vehicle is driven by an sensible person under normal driving conditions, there is no reason for a clutch to slip, break, wear prematurely, or shatter like i saw at the garage.
 
My understanding is that the standard and HD clutches generally have the same friction material (and size), it is more down to the springs that define whether the plate is HD or not. The HD either has more springs, or stiffer ones, and using HD may cause a bit more gearbox noise as the plate doesn't dampen the crank pulses so well so the gears chatter on their splines in neutral. If I were towing a lot then I may be tempted to go HD but being as my standard clutch (original) is still going strong I will probably replace it like for like when the time comes.
 
Clutch plate is no better than the pressure plate. If the pressure plate is weak you will still have issues. Might want to change the throw out bearing and fly wheel bushing while you are at it and the clutch fork also
 
Thanks for all the replies guys. I don't see the need to be be constantly towing but I may opt for the 130 clutch kit just in case i do have to do some towing...a boat or RC airplane light weight trailer.

The clutch should last longer in theory, however the pressure plate fingers still wears a bit too. Everyone is pointing to the Valeo 130 clutch kit it seems so will go that route. I have been using many Valeo parts for years on BMWs but have no experience with the Landy products, I hope the few bad raps their 300tdi clutch kits had is all history by now.

I intended to replace everything I can clutch wise, even new clutch slave and master cylinders too.

Thanks again mates.
 

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