Barbados
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Hi Guys,
I am in the process of deciding on a clutch kit for my 97 300tdi. I will be installing a VVT on a freshly and completely rebuilt 300tdi, bored out to 40 thou over size with new pistons, rings etc., so need a good clutch for the added power.
Being here in the Caribbean has some huge limitations for me. If I was home in Canada, I would have had my performance clutch guys make me up a strong long lasting, efficient and torque rated/ increased clamping force clutch..but I am not there now.
These guys have been making performance clutches for me for a long time, mostly carbon fiber/ceramic. Depending on stages and HP they would increase clamping force on the covers. I know that all of this will increase energy through my 110 drive line, but you can drive with this in mind and don't launch or dump the clutch.
I have been doing so much research and there is so much mixed opinions with off the shelf 300tdi clutch kits, especially when it comes to using the 130 friction plate on the 110.
I am expressing what I read, we know people can abuse clutches, have varying opinions and experiences, so all this info is based on what I have researched. A lot of the clutch info online is 5 - years and much older so I am posting this thread seeking current information and experiences by techs and owners.
If any part of my details is wrong, I will edit as clarified.
1. So far we know that the clutch cover dia is the same between the 110 and the 130, the clutch disc or friction plate being the difference.
2. Differences between the two are identified by the size in dia and the amount of springs.
3. There is a heavy duty clutch kit for the 110
4. The OEM 110 and 130 clutch is made by Valeo
5. The 110 friction plate being 132mm in dia and the 130 143mm in dia. There are measurements +/- 3mm expressed online, I am guessing many guys are bending the measuring tape over the spline which will increase measurement.
6. NO Britpart clutch lasts... rivets break, slips prematurely.
7. Some Valeo friction plates breaks between the lining and the splines.
8. Some of the110 HD clutch kits suffer from juddering, could also be caused by uneven flywheel surfaces.
9. The 130 friction plate works on the 110
10. AP seems to be the kit with no issues
11. Borg and Beck seems good too but not as popularly discussed nor mostly recommended.
The clutch kit my 300tdi had (changed by previous owner) an AP cover and an 8 colored spring friction plate, see pic, from what I have read it might be a HD friction plate.
The AP cover (part number LC03LR002A) has exactly 245mm in dia and my friction disc exactly 235 mm with no part number or any other identification.
So it might seem that I have a good choice of cover and an HD friction plate, what do you guys think? I will still be replacing with new but wondering if I should go this route again. Unfortunately I did not get a chance to use my landy much when I bought it, but for the 1/4 mile or so I drove it, it was OK.
Would like to know what you guys suggest, experienced..good, bad and ugly. LOL
I am in the process of deciding on a clutch kit for my 97 300tdi. I will be installing a VVT on a freshly and completely rebuilt 300tdi, bored out to 40 thou over size with new pistons, rings etc., so need a good clutch for the added power.
Being here in the Caribbean has some huge limitations for me. If I was home in Canada, I would have had my performance clutch guys make me up a strong long lasting, efficient and torque rated/ increased clamping force clutch..but I am not there now.
These guys have been making performance clutches for me for a long time, mostly carbon fiber/ceramic. Depending on stages and HP they would increase clamping force on the covers. I know that all of this will increase energy through my 110 drive line, but you can drive with this in mind and don't launch or dump the clutch.
I have been doing so much research and there is so much mixed opinions with off the shelf 300tdi clutch kits, especially when it comes to using the 130 friction plate on the 110.
I am expressing what I read, we know people can abuse clutches, have varying opinions and experiences, so all this info is based on what I have researched. A lot of the clutch info online is 5 - years and much older so I am posting this thread seeking current information and experiences by techs and owners.
If any part of my details is wrong, I will edit as clarified.
1. So far we know that the clutch cover dia is the same between the 110 and the 130, the clutch disc or friction plate being the difference.
2. Differences between the two are identified by the size in dia and the amount of springs.
3. There is a heavy duty clutch kit for the 110
4. The OEM 110 and 130 clutch is made by Valeo
5. The 110 friction plate being 132mm in dia and the 130 143mm in dia. There are measurements +/- 3mm expressed online, I am guessing many guys are bending the measuring tape over the spline which will increase measurement.
6. NO Britpart clutch lasts... rivets break, slips prematurely.
7. Some Valeo friction plates breaks between the lining and the splines.
8. Some of the110 HD clutch kits suffer from juddering, could also be caused by uneven flywheel surfaces.
9. The 130 friction plate works on the 110
10. AP seems to be the kit with no issues
11. Borg and Beck seems good too but not as popularly discussed nor mostly recommended.
The clutch kit my 300tdi had (changed by previous owner) an AP cover and an 8 colored spring friction plate, see pic, from what I have read it might be a HD friction plate.
The AP cover (part number LC03LR002A) has exactly 245mm in dia and my friction disc exactly 235 mm with no part number or any other identification.
So it might seem that I have a good choice of cover and an HD friction plate, what do you guys think? I will still be replacing with new but wondering if I should go this route again. Unfortunately I did not get a chance to use my landy much when I bought it, but for the 1/4 mile or so I drove it, it was OK.
Would like to know what you guys suggest, experienced..good, bad and ugly. LOL
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