Story from the beeb;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4900000.stm

"The Association of Teachers and Lecturers will vote on plans to put
warnings on dashboards."

Go to http://www.atl.org.uk and try to find anything about that. Not
a sausage. Pure PR stunt to get ATL some free publicity to the
detriment of us?

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

Ian Rawlings <news05@tarcus.org.uk> wrote:

> "The Association of Teachers and Lecturers will vote on plans to put
> warnings on dashboards."
>
> Go to http://www.atl.org.uk and try to find anything about that. Not
> a sausage. Pure PR stunt to get ATL some free publicity to the
> detriment of us?

We need proper research. Since the ATL care about it they
can supply some volunteers and we will run them over with
a selection of vehicles and see what types kill the most.

They will obviously get even more publicity from this and
TV film of Teachers and Lecturers bravely going under the
wheels of a wide range of cars in a school run setting
will prove that they really are as daft as this proposal
makes them look.

Miss. T. of Peckham Community College: "The Punto really
hurt my knees but the Disco just swept me aside and dumped
me in the hedge. I think I'm up for the Transit Minibus
next..."

nigelH


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Ian Rawlings <news05@tarcus.org.uk> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> Story from the beeb;
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4900000.stm
>
> "The Association of Teachers and Lecturers will vote on plans to put
> warnings on dashboards."
>
> Go to http://www.atl.org.uk and try to find anything about that. Not
> a sausage. Pure PR stunt to get ATL some free publicity to the
> detriment of us?

Strikes me a a sole idiot using the wrong forum to vent their spleen. I
would imagine there was a degree of WTF? when this topic was raised at a
Teaching and Lecturing seminar.

Now if we can move on please, I'd like to discuss the pros and cons of the
economy wash function and at what point does in fact become un economic to
use this cycle? I feel a sticker placed next to the control dial may help ,
sort of akin to "Warning - running over pedestrian may prove fatal" as seen
on 4x4 dashboards.

Lee
--
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home in the USA.
Percy IIa - two Engines to the mile, awaits a new chassis.
Morph - He's "living the dream".

On 2006-04-26, Lee_D <newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote:

> Strikes me a a sole idiot using the wrong forum to vent their spleen. I
> would imagine there was a degree of WTF? when this topic was raised at a
> Teaching and Lecturing seminar.

Indeed, there were quite a few interesting topics raised at the forum
that actually affect people according to the website, but the BBC's
reporter filed a report on a comment from a delegate about 4x4s and
didn't bother reporting on anything else in the conference whatsoever.

> Now if we can move on please, I'd like to discuss the pros and cons of the
> economy wash function and at what point does in fact become un economic to
> use this cycle?

The economy wash can result in less clean clothes, which means icky
dirt, which we know is dangerous! Ban it!

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On 2006-04-26, Nigel Hewitt <nigelhewitt@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> We need proper research. Since the ATL care about it they
> can supply some volunteers and we will run them over with
> a selection of vehicles and see what types kill the most.

What hurts them most, being run over by one 4x4 or being run over by
20 cars hehehe.

I was talking to my neighbour yesterday, I live outside a school and
come across the school run on occasion, she has also come across it
from time to time, and said that "they're all in 4x4s of course",
which is just rubbish. They're almost all in normal cars and they
park on the school road and in the surrounding area, and they are
emphatically not all in 4x4s by an awfully long stretch despite this
being a rural location. She reads the Daily Mail, and seems to
believe what she reads in that more than she believes her own eyes
which is a shame.

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"Ian Rawlings" <news05@tarcus.org.uk> wrote in message
news:slrne4uj5e.ck6.news05@desktop.tarcus.org.uk...
> Story from the beeb;
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4900000.stm
>
> "The Association of Teachers and Lecturers will vote on plans to put
> warnings on dashboards."
>
> Go to http://www.atl.org.uk and try to find anything about that. Not
> a sausage. Pure PR stunt to get ATL some free publicity to the
> detriment of us?
>
> --
> Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!


Perhaps we need to educate them as to the real meaning of 4x4 and I wonder
how I will get on as I teach and drive to work. From the chalk face; I would
be concentrating on getting behaviour sorted out rather than intefere in
other things. ( But then the ATL is the old PAT that was totally against
anything remotely like looking after its members interests !!! )

Joh
Teacher ( bloody mad )

110 CSW ( let em try to put anything on my dash )

Hirsty's wrote:
> "Ian Rawlings" <news05@tarcus.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:slrne4uj5e.ck6.news05@desktop.tarcus.org.uk...
>
>>Story from the beeb;
>>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4900000.stm
>>
>>"The Association of Teachers and Lecturers will vote on plans to put
>>warnings on dashboards."
>>
>>Go to http://www.atl.org.uk and try to find anything about that. Not
>>a sausage. Pure PR stunt to get ATL some free publicity to the
>>detriment of us?
>>
>>--
>>Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
>
>
>
> Perhaps we need to educate them as to the real meaning of 4x4 and I wonder
> how I will get on as I teach and drive to work. From the chalk face; I would
> be concentrating on getting behaviour sorted out rather than intefere in
> other things. ( But then the ATL is the old PAT that was totally against
> anything remotely like looking after its members interests !!! )
>
> Joh
> Teacher ( bloody mad )
>
> 110 CSW ( let em try to put anything on my dash )
>
>
Err, ASL used to be AMMA (Assistant Masters and Mistresses Association)
- PAT are still PAT (Both of 'em)

When I was doing a PGCE, one of the first "violent pupil" cases came up,
and I chose my union on the basis of their response: NUT said "the
Government must do something", the ATL said "Teacher's should stop
whingeing and get on with it", and the NASUWT said "don't teach violent
children". I'm with the third.

Stuart

Teacher, long-time LWB owner (first a couple of 109", now a 110)

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:34:22 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<news05@tarcus.org.uk> wrote:

>Story from the beeb;
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4900000.stm
>
>"The Association of Teachers and Lecturers will vote on plans to put
>warnings on dashboards."

You'd think they'd have better things to do with thier time, being so
overworked and underpaid

Alex

I'm a school governor and I'm keen to ensure the safety of the children at
any school.

Before anyone attacks us 4x4 drivers, why not have a go at the bloody idle
lot who park irresponsibly on zig-zags to let the children out. When this
occurs the vision of both drivers and pedestrians is severely restricted
causing a high risk of accidents, particularly involving the idiots who
won't slow down to pass the illegally parked a**holes.

Place the school pedestrian gate at the top of a blind summit (as ours is),
then add the inconsiderate lazy drivers parking on the Zig-zags at the gate,
mix in the the nutters who are late for work and you have a recipe for
disaster. I can't believe that we have avoided tragedy outside our school
for so long, it worries me to think that it may happen sooner or later. ANY
car could be involved, not just 4x4s, and it doesn't matter what they say
about the nature of the injuries caused by 4x4s - any injury to a child or
adult under these circumstances is simply unnacceptable and completely
avoidable if ALL drivers were more sensible. Zig-zags are painted
deliberately in front of school access points - they're there for a reason.

I was knocked down by a car outside a youth club when I was about 12. I was
lucky not to have been killed by the car that knocked me down, it knocked me
along the road and towards the path of oncoming traffic. I can recall
seeing the oncoming traffic, led by a bus and believe me I know how lucky I
was not to have been thrown under it. This accident was entirely my fault
and I accept that but how must the driver have felt? How would he have felt
had I not walked away? I realise that this is a slightly different subject
but it taught me how easy it is to have an accident and I feel strongly that
with very little effort UK roads could be safer.

Sorry to nag but I get worked up about road safety these days.


"Ian Rawlings" <news05@tarcus.org.uk> wrote in message
news:slrne4uj5e.ck6.news05@desktop.tarcus.org.uk...
> Story from the beeb;
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4900000.stm
>
> "The Association of Teachers and Lecturers will vote on plans to put
> warnings on dashboards."
>
> Go to http://www.atl.org.uk and try to find anything about that. Not
> a sausage. Pure PR stunt to get ATL some free publicity to the
> detriment of us?
>
> --
> Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

Hirsty's wrote:

|| ( But then the ATL is the old
|| PAT that was totally against anything remotely like looking after
|| its members interests !!! )
||
|| Joh
|| Teacher ( bloody mad )

Bollocks. ATL was the old AMMA. PAT were a different bunch althogether,
formed after the strike action of the early 80s in opposition to NUT and
NASUWT. If you're a teacher and you don't know this, you haven't been
paying attention.

--
Rich
==============================

I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one.

Nigel Hewitt wrote:

|| Ian Rawlings <news05@tarcus.org.uk> wrote:
||
||| "The Association of Teachers and Lecturers will vote on plans to put
||| warnings on dashboards."
|||
||| Go to http://www.atl.org.uk and try to find anything about that.
||| Not a sausage. Pure PR stunt to get ATL some free publicity to the
||| detriment of us?
||
|| We need proper research. Since the ATL care about it they
|| can supply some volunteers and we will run them over with
|| a selection of vehicles and see what types kill the most.

Although I left teaching 12 years ago, I am still a "retired" member of ATL.
I feel a letter coming on.

--
Rich
==============================

I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one.

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:47:08 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<newsboy@nowhere.com> scribbled the following nonsense:

>Hirsty's wrote:
>
>|| ( But then the ATL is the old
>|| PAT that was totally against anything remotely like looking after
>|| its members interests !!! )
>||
>|| Joh
>|| Teacher ( bloody mad )
>
>Bollocks. ATL was the old AMMA. PAT were a different bunch althogether,
>formed after the strike action of the early 80s in opposition to NUT and
>NASUWT. If you're a teacher and you don't know this, you haven't been
>paying attention.

Me, I just chose the NUT cos they're free while you're training! Oh,
and the largest....
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Peterborough 4x4 Club Chairman, Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body shell, being bobbed and modded.....

Simon Isaacs wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:47:08 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
> <newsboy@nowhere.com> scribbled the following nonsense:
>
>
>>Hirsty's wrote:
>>
>>|| ( But then the ATL is the old
>>|| PAT that was totally against anything remotely like looking after
>>|| its members interests !!! )
>>||
>>|| Joh
>>|| Teacher ( bloody mad )
>>
>>Bollocks. ATL was the old AMMA. PAT were a different bunch althogether,
>>formed after the strike action of the early 80s in opposition to NUT and
>>NASUWT. If you're a teacher and you don't know this, you haven't been
>>paying attention.
>
>
> Me, I just chose the NUT cos they're free while you're training! Oh,
> and the largest....
I thought NASUWT had pipped them to this now... Plus they were all free
when I trained

Stuart

>
> When I was doing a PGCE, one of the first "violent pupil" cases came up,
> and I chose my union on the basis of their response: NUT said "the
> Government must do something", the ATL said "Teacher's should stop
> whingeing and get on with it", and the NASUWT said "don't teach violent
> children". I'm with the third.
a couple of 109", now a 110)

Ditto

> Bollocks. ATL was the old AMMA. PAT were a different bunch althogether,
> formed after the strike action of the early 80s in opposition to NUT and
> NASUWT. If you're a teacher and you don't know this, you haven't been
> paying attention.
>

I stand corrected, I did'nt "diffrentiate" between them as I too joined the
biggest and most supprtive all those decades ago :-(

Hirsty's wrote:

||| Bollocks. ATL was the old AMMA. PAT were a different bunch
||| althogether, formed after the strike action of the early 80s in
||| opposition to NUT and NASUWT. If you're a teacher and you don't
||| know this, you haven't been paying attention.
|||
||
|| I stand corrected, I did'nt "diffrentiate" between them as I too
|| joined the biggest and most supprtive all those decades ago :-(

NUT - sandal-wearing lefties always whingeing and threatening strike action
NASUWT - pompous gits in sports jackets always whingeing and threatening
strike action
PAT - pompous gits in suits always criticising others for their strike
action
ATL - middle of the road guys'n'gals who rarely strike as they prefer to
talk first.

Joined NUT on entering teaching, left in disgust, joined NASUWT, thrown out
for refusing to join a strike, ended up in ATL. All the unions/associations
say they are interested in the children's education first, but the NUT and
NASUWT are only really interested in protecting their members' terms and
conditions. That makes them very good as trades unions, but a bit suspect
as spokemen on children's interests.


--
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==============================

I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one.

Got knocked of my bike when I was about 10, in those days you were scared
stiff to tell your parents about it. Similarly I saw get hit by a car while
crossing the road. He got up and walked away and one very scared driver,
drove away.

Now to remember what make of car was involved in these two incidents is
beyond me but you can be sure they were both average 60's products with the
old fashioned bumpers on the front.


--
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Series 3 rust and holes




"Robbiedoo" <robDOTdaniels@lineone.net> wrote in message
news:W8P3g.98$TT2.81@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
> I'm a school governor and I'm keen to ensure the safety of the children at
> any school.
>
> Before anyone attacks us 4x4 drivers, why not have a go at the bloody idle
> lot who park irresponsibly on zig-zags to let the children out. When this
> occurs the vision of both drivers and pedestrians is severely restricted
> causing a high risk of accidents, particularly involving the idiots who
> won't slow down to pass the illegally parked a**holes.
>
> Place the school pedestrian gate at the top of a blind summit (as ours
is),
> then add the inconsiderate lazy drivers parking on the Zig-zags at the
gate,
> mix in the the nutters who are late for work and you have a recipe for
> disaster. I can't believe that we have avoided tragedy outside our school
> for so long, it worries me to think that it may happen sooner or later.
ANY
> car could be involved, not just 4x4s, and it doesn't matter what they say
> about the nature of the injuries caused by 4x4s - any injury to a child or
> adult under these circumstances is simply unnacceptable and completely
> avoidable if ALL drivers were more sensible. Zig-zags are painted
> deliberately in front of school access points - they're there for a
reason.
>
> I was knocked down by a car outside a youth club when I was about 12. I
was
> lucky not to have been killed by the car that knocked me down, it knocked
me
> along the road and towards the path of oncoming traffic. I can recall
> seeing the oncoming traffic, led by a bus and believe me I know how lucky
I
> was not to have been thrown under it. This accident was entirely my fault
> and I accept that but how must the driver have felt? How would he have
felt
> had I not walked away? I realise that this is a slightly different
subject
> but it taught me how easy it is to have an accident and I feel strongly
that
> with very little effort UK roads could be safer.
>
> Sorry to nag but I get worked up about road safety these days.
>
>