Bantam1

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OK made a start today on preparing the chassis for waxoyling.
I bought the car because the chassis was good, even though a 1998 but been putting off the job for some time.
Anyway first job is get the tank off and fix a snapped bolt on the tow bar mounting, then prep the main area around it.
I'm glad to say the chassis is a minter and when I've sealed it and blown 2 gallon of waxoyl through it I will be so pleased.
 
First job was to remove the fuel tank. Very straight forward just photo the pipes on the top to make sure they go back in the correct places.
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Then remove the tow bar because it gets in the way, disconnect the filler pipes and breather under the arch and undo the tank supporting strap (4 bolts).
By the way drain all the fuel out too; I did this by syphoning through the filler neck once the pipe was off and pulled two jerry cans of fuel out. I'd run the tank as low as I could before starting the job.
The tank comes out quite easily, just drops on one side and slides out.
Next clean down the chassis to see what we have and I'm glad to say its looking good.
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Do you have to steam clean inside the chassis or just pressure wash?
I'm not certain whether steam cleaning is essential unless the chassis has been very muddy.
I guess it depends on the internal corrosion but the trick is surely to get as much waxoyl as possible sprayed into it. Once its there its neutralising the rust it sits on.
 
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Great job, when I have finished welding you can come do mine ;):)
Welding! My old 110 had to have a new back end and I want to avoid that with this one if I can.
I think i've started on it in good time and should have a good chassis for the next 20 years if I do a decent job of it.
What you doing, patching or new section?
 
Welding! My old 110 had to have a new back end and I want to avoid that with this one if I can.
I think i've started on it in good time and should have a good chassis for the next 20 years if I do a decent job of it.
What you doing, patching or new section?

Pretty much from behind the front door posts back with box section sills, new boot floor, side panels and wheel tubs, mammoth job :(

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It's bad, real bad, had a few "fook this sh!t" moments and almost rung the scrappy to come get it but I am ploughing on, bit by bit.
 
Nice Work!

My chassis 1/4 had been replaced.

The chassis forward of the repair is a tad crispy but eh! ;)

Waxoyl made a difference.
 
Alawys worth sticking 10 percent clean engine oil in with the chassis wax, keeps it softer for longer and helps it creep better.
 
warm the waxoyl right up and mix with a thin oil, i use hrdrolic oil as plenty of it!
Interesting!
I read that the waxoyl needs thinning with white spirit for spraying.
I've got one of those Sealey SG18 kits to do the work with but not read the kits instructions yet.
Is there an advantage to using thin oil over white spirit I wonder?
I guess the white spirit assists thinning and evaporates off once the waxoyl is in place. Hypothesis works for me anyway.
I'll do some research, thinning with oil could keep the product fluid for longer and maybe is more searching.
 
Pretty much from behind the front door posts back with box section sills, new boot floor, side panels and wheel tubs, mammoth job :(

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It's bad, real bad, had a few "fook this sh!t" moments and almost rung the scrappy to come get it but I am ploughing on, bit by bit.
That does look a massive job.
I've done a similarly big job on my 110 before but wouldn't want to start another.
I guess you just have to plod on and it will take as long as it takes.
 
Done a bit of reading to understand the options and suggested thinning choices:-

Types of treatment read from the Before 'n' After website, based on whether oil, wax or grease based systems: -
Oils: Are more penetrative but evaporate quickly. The application usually needs to be renewed more regularly too.
Waxes: As the white spirit in the waxoyl evaporates the wax grips the surface. - According to Before 'n' After this is why Waxoyl works better than Dinitrol, particularly on rust they say. (I also believe the waxoyl can be very searching, getting into small crevices, whilst the white spirit is in it)
Greases: These use oil as the carrier. Dinitrol is a grease type. (I'm assuming others like Dinitrol because it can be thinned with oils and sprayed easily and sits like waxoyl on the treated surfaces but being a grease, if that is what it is, it can be washed or wiped off more easily)

I'm with Before 'n' After and believe Waxoyl is the best but I don't fully share their view that I need experts to apply it, though its clear if you don't have the time or the inclination then Before 'n' After sound like the type of place to get it done. I believe that when you care about your own vehicle you tend to be more thorough and go a little further in your efforts to look after it, well I do anyway.
My view is this; Waxoyl thinned with white spirit and applied liberally to the inside of the chassis and other box sections, if put on thoroughly and in good quantities can last for a long long time. I will however reapply in a couple of years time in anticipation that I wont need to do again after that. (I repaired my old 110 bulkhead and one application internally lasted as long as I kept it)
The external areas of the chassis will be painted by hand using Hammerite Under Seal (with added waxoyl) after good preparation. This will be thick and protective and I will compliment with some spray applied waxoyl in the areas the brush won't get to. High wear areas are simply touched up when needed over the years but I find this stuff stays put and works very well. I read that Before 'n' After have an additive to help make the waxoyl more resilient to abrasion and wear, because they apply waxoyl internally and externally it seems.
 
Done a bit of reading to understand the options and suggested thinning choices:-

Types of treatment read from the Before 'n' After website, based on whether oil, wax or grease based systems: -
Oils: Are more penetrative but evaporate quickly. The application usually needs to be renewed more regularly too.
Waxes: As the white spirit in the waxoyl evaporates the wax grips the surface. - According to Before 'n' After this is why Waxoyl works better than Dinitrol, particularly on rust they say. (I also believe the waxoyl can be very searching, getting into small crevices, whilst the white spirit is in it)
Greases: These use oil as the carrier. Dinitrol is a grease type. (I'm assuming others like Dinitrol because it can be thinned with oils and sprayed easily and sits like waxoyl on the treated surfaces but being a grease, if that is what it is, it can be washed or wiped off more easily)

I'm with Before 'n' After and believe Waxoyl is the best but I don't fully share their view that I need experts to apply it, though its clear if you don't have the time or the inclination then Before 'n' After sound like the type of place to get it done. I believe that when you care about your own vehicle you tend to be more thorough and go a little further in your efforts to look after it, well I do anyway.
My view is this; Waxoyl thinned with white spirit and applied liberally to the inside of the chassis and other box sections, if put on thoroughly and in good quantities can last for a long long time. I will however reapply in a couple of years time in anticipation that I wont need to do again after that. (I repaired my old 110 bulkhead and one application internally lasted as long as I kept it)
The external areas of the chassis will be painted by hand using Hammerite Under Seal (with added waxoyl) after good preparation. This will be thick and protective and I will compliment with some spray applied waxoyl in the areas the brush won't get to. High wear areas are simply touched up when needed over the years but I find this stuff stays put and works very well. I read that Before 'n' After have an additive to help make the waxoyl more resilient to abrasion and wear, because they apply waxoyl internally and externally it seems.

I wouldnt believe one word written by b4andater, his service is so good he did a guys D1 and not many years after it failed its mot on serious rot, front wings off and the pics showed the wax had not reached all areas and even the areas it had reached still rotted away, the wax guy did pay for all the repairs after a lenghty forum battle.

Waxoyl does work but needs reapplying biannually at a minimum pretty much the same as all chassis waxes, waxoyl like all std chassis waxes is old school and there are meant to be better products out there, though I still dont believe any product will last forever so will still need topping up.
The engine/hydraulic oil added into the chassis wax mix will give you decent creep and it will stay snotty whereas white spirit will evaporate, leaving just the waxoyl which over time will lift away from the chassis surface.

Underseal is and always has been crap of the highest order.
It has killed more cars than it has saved.
What happens is it gets a wound and water gets behind it then the serious rot starts and you will be none the wiser until it is to late, think plastic coated garden funriture anything powder coated that lives oitside.

Back to the waxoyl, my Fil bought a new Nissan Sunny in 89 and waxoyled it, he reapplied it a few times over the years and it still rotted out big time, though to be fair he did get 20 years out of it.
I have had personal experience of waxoyls lack of grip in std form as it gets blasted away by the water spray chucked up from the wheels.

The thing is no one really knows how good stuff really is unless they keep a vehicle for many years as did my Fil.
 
That does look a massive job.
I've done a similarly big job on my 110 before but wouldn't want to start another.
I guess you just have to plod on and it will take as long as it takes.

One side down and one to go with added joy of the rear door pillar being rotted out too :(

Waxoyl needs the thin white spirit to make it more fluid and give it better creep and then it ought evaporate off to leave a good waterproof coating, the Dinitrol needs a thin machinist oil to help it get into all the crevices, or if you are like an old farmer friend who bought a Hi-Lux brand new in 1988 and every 6 months or so he filled up his mist cannon and drenched the underside of his motor and he drilled a hole in the back of the sills and filled them to about 3/4 full of oil to slosh around in there, it's still alive today and all it's ever had is regular 3000 mile oil changes and 20,000 mile gearbox and axle oil changes.
 
I wouldnt believe one word written by b4andater, his service is so good he did a guys D1 and not many years after it failed its mot on serious rot, front wings off and the pics showed the wax had not reached all areas and even the areas it had reached still rotted away, the wax guy did pay for all the repairs after a lenghty forum battle.

Waxoyl does work but needs reapplying biannually at a minimum pretty much the same as all chassis waxes, waxoyl like all std chassis waxes is old school and there are meant to be better products out there, though I still dont believe any product will last forever so will still need topping up.
The engine/hydraulic oil added into the chassis wax mix will give you decent creep and it will stay snotty whereas white spirit will evaporate, leaving just the waxoyl which over time will lift away from the chassis surface.

Underseal is and always has been crap of the highest order.
It has killed more cars than it has saved.
What happens is it gets a wound and water gets behind it then the serious rot starts and you will be none the wiser until it is to late, think plastic coated garden funriture anything powder coated that lives oitside.

Back to the waxoyl, my Fil bought a new Nissan Sunny in 89 and waxoyled it, he reapplied it a few times over the years and it still rotted out big time, though to be fair he did get 20 years out of it.
I have had personal experience of waxoyls lack of grip in std form as it gets blasted away by the water spray chucked up from the wheels.

The thing is no one really knows how good stuff really is unless they keep a vehicle for many years as did my Fil.
OK maybe b4&after might not be so good but then again, as I say, if you want a decent job do it yourself.
I think there is a big difference between areas exposed or subject to abrasion or wear and internal or protected areas that are not.
I treated my old 110 and in 10 years it still had good protection throughout. The only areas that used to lose coverage were the wheel arches and exposed areas of the chassis. Thats why I started using the paint on Hammerite with waxoyl, which worked brilliantly though did need a touch up occasionally but in areas that were easy to see and get at.
Other than replacing the chassis with a galvanised one what are you going to do?
I'm comfortable that it makes a difference and will extend the life of my landy. By how much I dont know, but my experience suggests I'll not worry about the chassis or floor pan for at least 10 years and quite probably 15, but only if I get it done right.
If I were doing serious off roading I wouldn't bother by the way.
 
I have similar opinion like lynall. Last year I have also fully cleaned the back 3rd of the chassis but only passivated and painted. I keep an eye on it and if somewhere get worse I can repair.
I am not against underseal but has to be done by specialist and after very careful and precise preparation.
 

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