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1st Post here guys hope someone can point me in the right direction.

Just bought my first diesel discovery 1995 300tdi done 118k and it has an intermittent blue smoke problem. It starts fine no smoke at all and also drives fine and pulls fine however when i rev the car up to a constant 2500-3000rpm after a few seconds it bellows a constant blue smoke cloud then if i rev it up and down it will clear and its a similar situation when i am driving, no problems motorway driving none on roads either only when i am in traffic or moving slowly in 2nd and 3rd gears e.g. when in slow moving traffic when i move away in 2nd gear and the traffic slows down again and i ease off the accelerator in the same gear it will bellow blue smoke again until i put the clutch in, drive off or rev up, the smoke smells very much like diesel and is definitely not the oil burning smell i personally think it is heavily over fueling but i hav never had a diesel before so im open to suggestions, i am not losing any oil at all i have replaced all the injectors with brand new ones yesterday and cleaned all the breathers i can see but this has had no effect.

Also when revving up from idle to around 1500rpm its very lumpy and feels like its missing but setting off driving it is fine which is another reason why i think its getting too much fuel once it is at a higher rev range it is fine. I also think its a little thirsty to but having never had one before im not too sure, it cost me around £30-£35 on a round trip a little less than 100miles which again might reinforce the idea of over fueling.

Any other ideas or fixes or options would be greatly appreciated
 
First, it CANNOT be over fuelling because in a diesel that would just make it run harder.

Second, it IS engine oil, and it is coming from one or more of three places,

UP past the pistons and rings (possible)
DOWN past the valves (unlikely from the description)
IN from the turbocharger's labyrinth seals having failed (PROBABLE).

On my desk I have a Repair kit for a Garrett T2/25 turbo. The repair kit part number is 709143-0001

It is a piece of cake to fit one of these kits.

They cost about £45 to £50 I think.

A reconditioned turbo costs hundreds.

Pound to a penny it's the turbo on the way out.

CharlesY
 
Thanks for the input but after visiting 3 seperate mechanics and the guys from landranger today ALL of which agreed that it IS heavily over fueling, its the conflicting reasons for this that i am stuck with after having taken the first mechanics advice and spent £160 on a set of new injectors that didnt cure the problem I didnt want to start throwing money away e.g on a injector pump that i dont need, however this seems to be the general direction in which im heading (or being guided) and on that note does anyone know of a company that will recondition or service my pump or sells reconditioned pumps in or around the manchester area should i have to go down that route i'd rather know now how much its goin to cost to lessen the shock
 
yeah definitely blue, this is what confuses me im sure 4 seperate people can't be wrong even if u stand in the smoke cloud its quite clear its diesel, im not losing any oil whatsoever, and it is using quite alot of fuel, its a wierd one
 
JEEEEZUZZZZZZ

IT CAN NOT BE OVERFUELLING!!!!!!

I told you, and now you have paid for new injectors.
I bet the guy who sold them to you kept your ones.
He will clean them up and sell them to his next victim.

I say DO NOT waste time on the injection pump EXCEPT to make sure the timing is spot on for that engine, and not retarded due to wear and tear.

But as your experts have seen the colour of your easy money I reckon that's the way you will go. A few hundred pounds should cover it.

pity ...

CharlesY
 
As charlesy says I think you just got stuffed for 4 injectors:eek:

Once had a EGR valve stick open on a V6 tdi that screwed all the ecu up with false readings from the senders resulting in white smoke pouring out of it stinking like an old boiler, trashing the EGR soon sorted it though!
 
Ok the injectors were bought before i sought help on here and i only paid £34 each for them brand new from paddocks (i'm sure alot of us have been their "victims") and no they didnt keep my old ones and i will be doing the cleaning up and putting them on ebay.

As for the mechanics one of which is a close family friend and a respected diesel mechanic by the local taxi and parcel delivery firms (couldnt ask him at the time as he was in hospital) i use the back of his workshop and do the work that needs doing (he does not see the "colour of my money" so has no reason to rip me off just points me in the right direction) and one of the others was landranger services anyone who has used these in the past will know they are a friendly and reputable group of guys dedicated to landrovers and are not out to get you

so with respect i'd rather take the word of my "experts" with regards to it overfuelling however one of them did mention the pump timing so i will take that route first.

Anyone who can offer some less patronising advice would be greatly appreciated if we take it that the vehicle is over fuelling and should i need to replace/recondition the pump where would be the best place to go or person to see
 
As charlesy says I think you just got stuffed for 4 injectors:eek:

Once had a EGR valve stick open on a V6 tdi that screwed all the ecu up with false readings from the senders resulting in white smoke pouring out of it stinking like an old boiler, trashing the EGR soon sorted it though!


Yeah dont think i got stuffed just bad advice from a mechanic i dont normally use because my regular one was in hospital, cant complain at the price i paid though found that quite resonable as a local guy wanted £50 each to recondition mine! :eek: and to add insult to injury when my mechanic did come back his first words were "why did u get new injectors" DOH! i guess i will clean up the old ones and see what i can get on the bay.

Speaking of EGR's thanks to the guy that advised me to blank mine off to stop the blue smoke recirculating i was going to do it down the line when i got the problem sorted but have done it today, cheers
 
Ok the injectors were bought before i sought help on here and i only paid £34 each for them brand new from paddocks (i'm sure alot of us have been their "victims") and no they didnt keep my old ones and i will be doing the cleaning up and putting them on ebay.

As for the mechanics one of which is a close family friend and a respected diesel mechanic by the local taxi and parcel delivery firms (couldnt ask him at the time as he was in hospital) i use the back of his workshop and do the work that needs doing (he does not see the "colour of my money" so has no reason to rip me off just points me in the right direction) and one of the others was landranger services anyone who has used these in the past will know they are a friendly and reputable group of guys dedicated to landrovers and are not out to get you

so with respect i'd rather take the word of my "experts" with regards to it overfuelling however one of them did mention the pump timing so i will take that route first.

Anyone who can offer some less patronising advice would be greatly appreciated if we take it that the vehicle is over fuelling and should i need to replace/recondition the pump where would be the best place to go or person to see

Having re-read your initial post it could be a seriouse case of EGR valve stuck open.Next time it does it stop and see how hot your inlet manifold is as if it's stuck open you will be re-circulating hot exhaust gases all the time through it or better still just bin it all the same.
 
Speaking of EGR's thanks to the guy that advised me to blank mine off to stop the blue smoke recirculating i was going to do it down the line when i got the problem sorted but have done it today, cheers

And this has'nt made any difference! Still smoking?
 
Having re-read your initial post it could be a seriouse case of EGR valve stuck open.Next time it does it stop and see how hot your inlet manifold is as if it's stuck open you will be re-circulating hot exhaust gases all the time through it or better still just bin it all the same.

Cheers will check that tomorrow
 
Cheers will check that tomorrow

If you have have already blanked it can't be that!

Once had a Diesel Volkswagen that did a VERY similar thing, turned out that the cam belt had jumped a tooth sending the timing out!
 
If you have have already blanked it can't be that!

Once had a Diesel Volkswagen that did a VERY similar thing, turned out that the cam belt had jumped a tooth sending the timing out!

Good point, didnt think of checking that when i bought it the belts did look new i will check that too
 
quote: so with respect i'd rather take the word of my "experts" with regards to it overfuelling however one of them did mention the pump timing so i will take that route first. unquote

That is what you said.

Now please explain to us all just what is meant by "overfuelling".

Is the carburettor flooding over because the float has dropped?
No, it can't be that - it's a diesel with an injection pump and injectors.

"Overfuelling" ????? where does this "overfuel" come from?
How does overfuel get from the tank and into the cylinders?

Please explain, because I with my fifty years of diesel experience am obviously unable to match the abilities of your experts who have yet even to diagnose your problem, let alone fix it.

I believe a few of the involved parties don't quite understand how a diesel engine works, and the little niceties involved in making them run sweetly.

CharlesY
 
so with respect i'd rather take the word of my "experts" with regards to it overfuelling however one of them did mention the pump timing so i will take that route first.


if yer gonna take the word of your experts why are you asking on here?
if yer gonna ask on here why are you ignoring the advice you get from our very own doosul expert?
if yer experts are experts why have they not fixed it yet?
why wont you believe that blue smoke is oil burning?
 
if yer gonna take the word of your experts why are you asking on here?
if yer gonna ask on here why are you ignoring the advice you get from our very own doosul expert?
if yer experts are experts why have they not fixed it yet?
why wont you believe that blue smoke is oil burning?

Right regardless of what other peoples opinions are i've established that the vehicle is over fuelling the advice i was asking for on here is why this may be happening if anyone else has suffered similar and where if need be and at what cost i can get my pump sorted.

I'm not ignoring the advice im being given nor am i questioning his credentials however it contradicts that of a land rover specialist and my personal mechanic who have both SEEN and driven the vehicle.

My "experts" happen to be currently very busy and have only had time to diagnose the fault as far as over fuelling, further checks will be carried out later in the week.

And finally as i have said twice now i am not loosing any oil at all the smoking is quite heavy at times and i use the vehicle frequently so if i was burning oil a change in level would be noticeable, i can understand where people are coming from as the first time i pulled into these places the first thing they say is either piston rings or turbo its only upon standing in the blue smoke cloud then the thinking look comes over them also as i forgot to mention before i put £20 diesel in as the fuel light came on today i got 62miles mainly motorway and it was on again which i get roughly to around 14mpg again i think everything is pointing towards overfuelling.

Im not trying to be arsey about this but please dont patronise me im only asking advice and stating the facts, i try to keep my personal opinions reserved as im unfamiliar with a diesel disco.
 
First, it CANNOT be over fuelling because in a diesel that would just make it run harder.


So it's possible for it to over fuel.....

Now please explain to us all just what is meant by "overfuelling".

Is the carburettor flooding over because the float has dropped?
No, it can't be that - it's a diesel with an injection pump and injectors.

"Overfuelling" ????? where does this "overfuel" come from?
How does overfuel get from the tank and into the cylinders?

or is it not possible???
 

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