tobyd10 · Feb 9, 2018

Hi.
My project 109 S2 (@sho161g) is likely to be getting a 300tdi. I bought it with a Rover P5 Weslake 6 cylinder fitted but as I want to use the LR for my new stop start commute I would never be able to afford the fuel.
I gather it will need a bellhousing change or gearbox change.
Also will need engine mounts changing, battery moving in the cab but with the different bulkhead will this need changing?
Could the 300 be fitted using the same gearbox mounts with the engine just sitting further back?
Early days but just planning in advance.
Cheer
Toby

tobyd10 · Mar 23, 2018

Hi,
In about a week the Weslake 6 will be taken out of my LR and I'll be looking to sell and a quick collection for Hebden Bridge West Yorkshire
as it will be in the way of the chap doing the engine swap.

There some vids of it below. The engine has a small crack in the inlet manifold which is currently at Bowler Motorsport hopefully being repaired.
running

starting

The engine came in the LR when I bought it and apparently came from a Rover P5 guy who said it was a good runner. It's the engine only will come with the carb but not the fan seen in the vids but they are cheap on ebay.

Let me know if you are interested and able to collect quickly.
Cheers
Toby

Having issues with the vids will try again later. They are on www.twitter.com/sho161g

rob1miles · Mar 23, 2018

What engine did it have in when it left the factory? This will determin the bulkhead. It may have been modified to fit the 6cyl but the task may be unmodifying or further modification depending on what was done.

Turboman · Mar 23, 2018

tobyd10 said:
Hi.
My project 109 S2 (@sho161g) is likely to be getting a 300tdi. I bought it with a Rover P5 Weslake 6 cylinder fitted but as I want to use the LR for my new stop start commute I would never be able to afford the fuel.
I gather it will need a bellhousing change or gearbox change.
Also will need engine mounts changing, battery moving in the cab but with the different bulkhead will this need changing?
Could the 300 be fitted using the same gearbox mounts with the engine just sitting further back?
Early days but just planning in advance.
Cheer
Toby

Have to say, I think you would be very ill advised to do that. Six cylinders were a premium model, and are now quite rare and collectable.

I would get a little car for the commute, and use the landrover for leisure, laneing, and load carrying, as it was intended.

Driven gently, the fuel consumption isn't that bad either, you could commute for years on the cost of an engine, and all the parts and labour needed to install it in a six cylinder vehicle.

Disco1BFG · Mar 23, 2018

+1 on the above, I'd want to know what engine it left the factory with to advise you - and if it was a 6 from new, then it's an appreciating asset which, IMHO, would be way better left as a 6.

Turboman · Mar 23, 2018

Disco1BFG said:
+1 on the above, I'd want to know what engine it left the factory with to advise you - and if it was a 6 from new, then it's an appreciating asset which, IMHO, would be way better left as a 6.

I have never heard of anyone installing 6 cylinder petrol in a 4 cylinder vehicle, and I imagine there is quite a lot of work involved, the bulkhead and trans tunnel in a 6 are different, and the front propshaft is shorter.

Disco1BFG · Mar 23, 2018

Turboman said:
I have never heard of anyone installing 6 cylinder petrol in a 4 cylinder vehicle, and I imagine there is quite a lot of work involved, the bulkhead and trans tunnel in a 6 are different, and the front propshaft is shorter.

I was thinking that too - so I did a search. according to this:-

http://series123.com/USAhomepages/index65/index.html

( I know, US website, but...) it might be a pretty rare thing- @tobyd10 , if you have a genuine weslake head engine in a genuine fitted from factory series, I'd be very careful about changing the engine.

Turboman · Mar 23, 2018

Disco1BFG said:
I was thinking that too - so I did a search. according to this:-

http://series123.com/USAhomepages/index65/index.html

( I know, US website, but...) it might be a pretty rare thing- @tobyd10 , if you have a genuine weslake head engine in a genuine fitted from factory series, I'd be very careful about changing the engine.

As it says in your link, 6 cylinder are just a nicer drive. And as you say, even rarer and more collectable with the Weslake head.

Disco1BFG · Mar 23, 2018

Turboman said:
As it says in your link, 6 cylinder are just a nicer drive. And as you say, even rarer and more collectable with the Weslake head.

Anything with a 6 pot is a nicer drive - 6's have such a nice torque curve inherently... not sure "nicer" does it justice

it's betterer than nicer

And V8's are betterer again

tobyd10 · Mar 23, 2018

The 6 is from a Rover P5 so nothing original. The output new was 134bhp so a useful upgrade if you're wanting to use it on weekends.
The LR is a factory six cylinder but it's not very original so unlikely to be an appreciating asset.

The LR will be a daily driver when sorted and reliable so the TDI is the best option going forward, just need to find a buyer for the 6.
Cheers
Toby

Wimblowdriver · Mar 23, 2018

Reckon a lot of peeps would find your six very desirable. Why not put it up for a swap for a tdi or whatever and save yourself a lot of work and expense?

Turboman · Mar 23, 2018

tobyd10 said:
The 6 is from a Rover P5 so nothing original. The output new was 134bhp so a useful upgrade if you're wanting to use it on weekends.
The LR is a factory six cylinder but it's not very original so unlikely to be an appreciating asset.

The LR will be a daily driver when sorted and reliable so the TDI is the best option going forward, just need to find a buyer for the 6.
Cheers
Toby

I suggest you drive something with a Tdi in it first. They produce about 110 horse if they are perfect, and most are far from perfect these days.

rob1miles · Mar 23, 2018

The 6 pot on LPG would be a very nice economical drive and easy to reverse any changes. Going from a smooth and quiet 134bhp to a noisy shakey 110 bhp will feel like a lot of wasted effort.

Turboman · Mar 23, 2018

rob1miles said:
The 6 pot on LPG would be a very nice economical drive and easy to reverse any changes. Going from a smooth and quiet 134bhp to a noisy shakey 110 bhp will feel like a lot of wasted effort.

Not to mention the delights of fitting an intercooler rad in a Series.

Disco1BFG · Mar 23, 2018

rob1miles said:
The 6 pot on LPG would be a very nice economical drive and easy to reverse any changes. Going from a smooth and quiet 134bhp to a noisy shakey 110 bhp will feel like a lot of wasted effort.

Exactly. My 300 Tdi is tuned to 145, but the induction roar gets tiresome. The fuel economy, driveability and reliability do not. I was actually looking at a V8 the other day, and quite seriously too.

rob1miles · Mar 23, 2018

And that's before they introduce a low emissions zone and charge diesels £12 to drive in. I live near the London LEZ and LandRovers before 2002 have to pay. Historcs are exempt so my diesel LWB get in free as does my 1992 500SL Merc. The Merc does 20 mpg (very light right foot) and the Series 30 mpg but add the LEZ charge the 5lr petrol is a lot cheaper to drive than the 3.3 Diesel. I like driving diesels, especially in a Series but I'd be very wary of taking out a petrol engine the way enviro/politics are going.

Turboman · Mar 23, 2018

rob1miles said:
And that's before they introduce a low emissions zone and charge diesels £12 to drive in. I live near the London LEZ and LandRovers before 2002 have to pay. Historcs are exempt so my diesel LWB get in free as does my 1992 500SL Merc. The Merc does 20 mpg (very light right foot) and the Series 30 mpg but add the LEZ charge the 5lr petrol is a lot cheaper to drive than the 3.3 Diesel. I like driving diesels, especially in a Series but I'd be very wary of taking out a petrol engine the way enviro/politics are going.

Especially from a historic vehicle, which will lose that status if re-engined.

tobyd10 · Mar 23, 2018

Fortunately I like the sound of a diesel and have very little need of going near a city.
The LR shouldn't lose its historic status and I am likely to have it MOT'd for safety anyway just to check my work.
I considered lpg but I don't want to lose any storage space in the vehicle and again I do like a diesel in a LR.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
If anyone else wants to have the silky petrol it will be available very soon!
Cheers

Turboman · Mar 23, 2018

tobyd10 said:
Fortunately I like the sound of a diesel and have very little need of going near a city.
The LR shouldn't lose its historic status and I am likely to have it MOT'd for safety anyway just to check my work.
I considered lpg but I don't want to lose any storage space in the vehicle and again I do like a diesel in a LR.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
If anyone else wants to have the silky petrol it will be available very soon!
Cheers

If you are honest in declaring it, a non standard engine will lose the vehicles historic status.

I have no idea why you are asking our opinion if you have no intention of listening to what we have said.

So I can only assume you are trying to advertise the engine, despite not having the 50 constructive posts to do so.
I have therefore reported your last post.

blue beasty · Mar 23, 2018

Turboman said:
If you are honest in declaring it, a non standard engine will lose the vehicles historic status.

I have no idea why you are asking our opinion if you have no intention of listening to what we have said.

So I can only assume you are trying to advertise the engine, despite not having the 50 constructive posts to do so.
I have therefore reported your last post.

Engine is only 1 point under the historic status point system iirc

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