Mr Noisy

Mr Noisy

Coming in your ears.
Or a mixture of it?

I think TVO (Tractor Vaporising Oil) had an octane of about 60 but went out of production in 1974.

This was suitable for low compression petrol engines of about 6:1 compression ratio.

Kerosene/Regular 28 second Heating Oil has a 20 Octane rating, but I read on tractor forums that guys now mix up TVO out of petrol and kerosene, a mix of 2 petrol : 1 kerosene gives about 70 octane

I was just pondering the concept, I wonder with enough ignition timing adjustment could it run?

Cheers, Sam.

P.S. Oviously I dont want to try it and then end up with a motor thats a pig to run until all the oil is cleared through it, so i thought I'd post it up first. Ive done a fair amount of reading into it and I don't think there's be any chance of damage, either it just wont start or it'll be smoky as hell and have zero power.

I just though for a days offroading I could halve the fuel costs if it works :D
 
tvo tractors had vapouriser plates to heat fuel mix ,you had to run engine on petrol till running temp was achieved
 
yeah, i have the jist of the basics cos we have a '49 Ferguson TED 20 tracotr that burns oil, but that has a twin tank setup with changeover.

if i was going to engineer something i would have to setup some kind of cold start petrol feed.

could be more trouble than it's worth!

i was just asking really if anyone thought it would ven run on a kero mix cos of the compression.

whats the script on making a petrol engine diesel (compression ignite)?

i understand im probably asking ridiculous questions here - im just thinking out loud tbh.

cheers!
 
Even if you could make it run, it won't run reliably or with full power. These days you need to run full duty fuel for leisure use, which includes off roading on a private site - all the triallers who used to benefit from red diesel had to switch to DERV.

Land Rover tried to convert the V8 to a diesel (Iceberg project) but they couldn't do it, not sure why, I think the engine was just not strong enough in the block. Shame, would have been a nice motor.

The obvious way to save fuel costs would be LPG?
 
you can burn any fuel you want even red diesel as long as you pay the duty including bio which you should still declare and pay
 
Apparently you can get a form from the government to declare non duty fuel.

A thread I read quoted 27.1p/ltr had to be paid in tax, that figure could be out of date now. But the point is that customs and excise are perfectly happy if you declare whatever you're using and pay the 27.1p/ltr on it.

Used engine oil is a great one for diesels, provides ultimate lube for the bump and burns with great power.

You collect oil of your mates etc, filter it, and even I you pay the duty it's still very cheap fuel.

But as Paul says, the point of this thread is getting a petrol to vaporise and then run on kero.

The only data I have for the fergie engine, a standard vanguard unit, is for the 1.8 ltr, which had a smaller bore than the 2,008cc engine fitted in our tractor.

The 1.8 was 5.7:1 comp, I assume our tractor would be slightly more with the bigger bore?

I think the rv8 in the disco is about 8 or 9:1 so it's probably a bit too high for a good burn.

I guess the only way is to mix down with petrol and see if you can get it to stop smoking.

Looking forward to temporary fuel system ideas etc :D
 
paul_c said:
Even if you could make it run, it won't run reliably or with full power. These days you need to run full duty fuel for leisure use, which includes off roading on a private site - all the triallers who used to benefit from red diesel had to switch to DERV.

Land Rover tried to convert the V8 to a diesel (Iceberg project) but they couldn't do it, not sure why, I think the engine was just not strong enough in the block. Shame, would have been a nice motor.
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It was actually a BL/Perkins collaboration. They had head and cooling problems, which were surmountable but money problems and reorganisation within BL, led to BL pulling out of the project. Perkins did try to take it forward with just technical support from BL but when that too was withdrawn the project folded. But yes it would have been a nice engine 100bhp NA and 150plus with a turbo. If you think how successful the later collaboration between the two companies to create the Prima from the O series seems a shame they didn't persevere with the V8.
 
There is an Iceberg diesel v8 in the museum at Gaydon,shame they never had the money to develop it,would have been nice not to have put up with all those horrid BMW diesels.........
 
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