Ady Gancz

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Hi there,

My 1998 300tdi disco1 has seen its fair share of mechanical problems, but has always been quick to start - 2-4 seconds, not more.
Two weeks ago, while travelling in the desert I fueled it from 2 containers. The diesel was not old, but one of the cans previously contained some unidentified fluid, which I thought I have washed off well before using it. This may or may not be relevant.
After fueling (about 30 liter in all) I started having ignition problems. It would take the car 2-3 attempts of 10-15 seconds each to start. After starting it would run ok with the exception of 2-3 times that it lost power and/or shut down.
Suspecting it was the fuel from those cans, I topped the tank with about 50-60 liters of fresh diesel and added 2 cans of 44K cleaner. After that I had no more incidents of losing power, but it would still start slow as before. I replaced the fuel filter and filled the new one with another can of 44K. So far there is no change. It still takes 2-3 long attempts to get it started. If I start it right after shutting it off it only takes 5-6 seconds, but if I wait a few minutes it's slow again
The starter was replaced about 2 months ago and sounds good. The battery is good too.
Any suggestions?

Thank you!
 
Sounds like classic lift pump failure, have you changed it before or is it original? Have a search on the forum and you'll see pretty much everything else it might be. Wouldn't worry about the bad fuel, probably coincidental if it was a trace amount / teaspoon worth
 
Sounds like classic lift pump failure, have you changed it before or is it original? Have a search on the forum and you'll see pretty much everything else it might be. Wouldn't worry about the bad fuel, probably coincidental if it was a trace amount / teaspoon worth

Thank you Goc3K, it hasn't been changed by me but I'm the 4th owner, so I don't know. Will look into it.
Cheers
Ady
 
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Hi there,

My 1998 300tdi disco1 has seen its fair share of mechanical problems, but has always been quick to start - 2-4 seconds, not more.
Two weeks ago, while travelling in the desert I fueled it from 2 containers. The diesel was not old, but one of the cans previously contained some unidentified fluid, which I thought I have washed off well before using it. This may or may not be relevant.
After fueling (about 30 liter in all) I started having ignition problems. It would take the car 2-3 attempts of 10-15 seconds each to start. After starting it would run ok with the exception of 2-3 times that it lost power and/or shut down.
Suspecting it was the fuel from those cans, I topped the tank with about 50-60 liters of fresh diesel and added 2 cans of 44K cleaner. After that I had no more incidents of losing power, but it would still start slow as before. I replaced the fuel filter and filled the new one with another can of 44K. So far there is no change. It still takes 2-3 long attempts to get it started. If I start it right after shutting it off it only takes 5-6 seconds, but if I wait a few minutes it's slow again
The starter was replaced about 2 months ago and sounds good. The battery is good too.
Any suggestions?

Thank you!
Did you run the Disco right out of fuel before topping up out of the Jerries?
Have you tried "cracking" the flare nuts at the injectors one at a time whilst the engine is idling after you get it started, there could be a small amount of air trapped in the injector lines, 300tdi's always start promptly unless there is air in the fuel system, or so I've found with mine.
 
Sounds like classic lift pump failure, have you changed it before or is it original? Have a search on the forum and you'll see pretty much everything else it might be. Wouldn't worry about the bad fuel, probably coincidental if it was a trace amount / teaspoon worth

+1 - lift pumps seem to last for a while and then just fail ... and the Bosch FIP is tolerant of this to a point ... a point you may have just reached ;)

Also check the leak-off pipes, they may have perished and be letting air into the system ...

Also +1 - It does sound like air ingress too :rolleyes: - usual suspects are the sedimenter pipework, tank pipework ( which rots ), and the leak off pipes, which, as Dippy says, fail and let air into the system... thus allowing fuel to flow back to the tank ... which then requires a long purge cycle to clear said air before it'll run... If your lift pump is close to knackered as well .... well :eek:, you get the idea :)
 
Thank you all for the useful answers. It was indeed the lift pump. It has been replaced and the line to the tank was flushed. Back to normal.
Cheers
Ady
 
Well as normal as a Landy is for now ... :rolleyes::D
Couple of things here Dips, 1/Considering the age of some of the Landies discussed on here they ain't all that bad, it's a mass collection of a lot of old vehicles, in fact they will/have outlasted many of the "throwaway" newer generation vehicles. 2/My disco turned 20 this year, it had a rough early life in the hands of people who are notorious for not being able to look after their vehicles very well, (an indigenous community in a very remote area, not a criticism), I have to say it has been absolutely reliable since I took posession of it and fixed the few neglected bits, much of what happens since has never stopped it from running and doing its job of getting us about on some very bad roads, it leaks oil, a bit, but other than that, hey it's old, it's owner is old, but we both keep on going, i.e we both still have a bit of usefulness in us.
So although we spend a lot of time on here talking "problems", thats a big part of what is done here, I think deep down we all have great respect for the brand and it could just be some of us have "masochistic" tendencies.
 
Couple of things here Dips, 1/Considering the age of some of the Landies discussed on here they ain't all that bad, it's a mass collection of a lot of old vehicles, in fact they will/have outlasted many of the "throwaway" newer generation vehicles. 2/My disco turned 20 this year, it had a rough early life in the hands of people who are notorious for not being able to look after their vehicles very well, (an indigenous community in a very remote area, not a criticism), I have to say it has been absolutely reliable since I took posession of it and fixed the few neglected bits, much of what happens since has never stopped it from running and doing its job of getting us about on some very bad roads, it leaks oil, a bit, but other than that, hey it's old, it's owner is old, but we both keep on going, i.e we both still have a bit of usefulness in us.
So although we spend a lot of time on here talking "problems", thats a big part of what is done here, I think deep down we all have great respect for the brand and it could just be some of us have "masochistic" tendencies.

Oh I know, I had a few ...

My fav Disco was stolen just months after we finished the welding and brake re-build ...

But my true love was an old 2a shortie ... a total rust lump but just a great drive ...
 

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