Cheers chap, thanks a lot for tha information. Your right, im after the e bay ones cos theyre for sale just a few miles up the road from me.. think ill keep the bar grips on fer a bit and see how we go..aint bovvered bout hills an all tha cos worcestershires pretty flat and your right, itll look the MUTTS !!! ill let you know how i go.... are tyres expensive then ?