P38 new problem with abs and traction fault

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maxderby

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my 2001 Diesel 2.5 P38 has the Abs and Traction control lights permanently on, firstly a scan showed nearside front abs sensor fault so replaced both front sensors , this worked very briefly about 2 days then abs and traction light back on, another scan then said 2 valves open in master cylinder, contacted chap I bought it off and he said use nanocom to force them to move, unfortunately I dont have one, I tried bleeding the whole brake system as described in the manual, but no results

Chap I got it off sent me a new master cylinder which is now on and still the same faults, I did notice the big block connector that goes to this unit had the spiraband sheathing peeled back about 7inch, so suspect in past someone has been looking for a fault, after fitting new unit had it scanned again and the info is in the picture although poor, if you can expand it you can read it but will put what it says

101 No traction Valve - (open circuit )
103 Outlet Isolation Valve - (open circuit )
20 Outlet Isolation Valve - (open circuit )

Im assuming an electrical fault, ive switched out the Black relay for another with no results, is there any other relays to check
, if so how do i check them, otherwise can anyone tell me what wires to bell out, Im no sparky but have some knowledge, I cant see any obvious dodgy wiring or connector but very suspect of protective sheathing being peeled back, any help wiring diagrams or instructions welcome and appreciated
cheers
Maxderby
 

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Hi All
my 2001 Diesel 2.5 P38 has the Abs and Traction control lights permanently on, firstly a scan showed nearside front abs sensor fault so replaced both front sensors , this worked very briefly about 2 days then abs and traction light back on, another scan then said 2 valves open in master cylinder, contacted chap I bought it off and he said use nanocom to force them to move, unfortunately I dont have one, I tried bleeding the whole brake system as described in the manual, but no results

Chap I got it off sent me a new master cylinder which is now on and still the same faults, I did notice the big block connector that goes to this unit had the spiraband sheathing peeled back about 7inch, so suspect in past someone has been looking for a fault, after fitting new unit had it scanned again and the info is in the picture although poor, if you can expand it you can read it but will put what it says

101 No traction Valve - (open circuit )
103 Outlet Isolation Valve - (open circuit )
20 Outlet Isolation Valve - (open circuit )

Im assuming an electrical fault, ive switched out the Black relay for another with no results, is there any other relays to check
, if so how do i check them, otherwise can anyone tell me what wires to bell out, Im no sparky but have some knowledge, I cant see any obvious dodgy wiring or connector but very suspect of protective sheathing being peeled back, any help wiring diagrams or instructions welcome and appreciated
cheers
Maxderby
The ECU is a known failure item, first check the connector at the ECU for corrosion.
All the wiring diagrams are in RAVE which can be down loaded I think from a link in the tech archive.
 
hi
thank you for your reply, is that the main ecu next to the battery or the one behind the glove box, ive tried my mates ecu from behind the glove box with no difference
cheers
Maxderby
 
hi
thank you for your reply, is that the main ecu next to the battery or the one behind the glove box, ive tried my mates ecu from behind the glove box with no difference
cheers
Maxderby
The ECU next to the battery is for the engine. The SRS ECU is the one up behind the glove box.
Did you carefully check the connector for corrosion front and back? Just a little verdigris will cause problems.
Did you follow the full bleed procedure as detailed in RAVE?
How many brake presses between pump runs?
What is the battery voltage? Low volts can cause these sort of problems.
You really need a Nanocom to go with a P38, it will be needed fairly often.
 
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Hi
Thanks for your reply, yes I checked the connection block, nice and clean, gently pulled the wires to check nothing loose or obviously snapped, I think it was 4 or 5 pumps between pump runs, where is the traction control ECU located, I thought the wabco one behind the glove box was the abs and TC ECU? The srs one on my last P38 was a yellow box with SRS embossed on it, but that was a 95 model, many thanks
Maxderby
 
Hi
Thanks for your reply, yes I checked the connection block, nice and clean, gently pulled the wires to check nothing loose or obviously snapped, I think it was 4 or 5 pumps between pump runs, where is the traction control ECU located, I thought the wabco one behind the glove box was the abs and TC ECU? The srs one on my last P38 was a yellow box with SRS embossed on it, but that was a 95 model, many thanks
Maxderby
SRS is Safety Restraint System, nothing to do with traction control which is controlled by the ABS ECU.
 
Are the abs sensors pushed on properly. The little cage that holds them can degrade and the airgap can get too large.
They should be pushed home until the sensor touches the abs ring on the Cv joint head then while moving it'll set its own air gap. 🤔
 
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